Texas Senate approves open carry of handguns

Woo! Finally making progress (and I'm not super broke up about the training amendment, since retention/holster training would actually be one of the more useful things we have to learn about in class. At present, holsters are hardly even mentioned, which I think is stupid so long as we're gonna make the class mandatory.)

TCB

I reread the post and posted article 3 times. I saw nothing about holsters. What am I missing?

Two amendments: one adds retention training to the curiculum (no details on whether that is added or replaces something) and the other delays implementation 4 months till Jan '16.

TCB

calaverasslim said:

I reread the post and posted article 3 times. I saw nothing about holsters. What am I missing?

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This article mentions holsters.


http://abc13.com/politics/texas-senate-set-to-approve-open-carry-of-handguns/560215/



"License holders would have to carry their weapon either in a shoulder or belt holster with a choice to conceal the weapon or not. Business owners would still have the right to ban weapons from their premises, and open carry would not be allowed on college campuses."
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Taking the provision about holsters literally, pocket carry is illegal? Many do, bare gun in an empty pocket.

Much less one in the waistband on a string.

And there's the issue of off body carry and special bags with a pocket that is the "holster." Just not a separate one.

It's too early to speculate with any certainty, I guess we'll have to pass the law to see what's in it. But it does highlight that all too often the law is written too specifically by those who think they know better, and the result is something that infringes on our actual rights.

How we carry is none of their business.

Nice to see traction on this for Texans, better to change the current situation, like our opponents say, if it's not right we can always fix it later.

Such is the nature of politics, competent legislation isn't the special skill set limited to what party you belong to.

Most of those type restrictions will not survive a court challenge.

The Democrats have always blocked this in the House of Representatives...keeping it in committee until it died at the end of the session. This session (The Texas legislature only meets every two years in a "session".) there is a Republican supermajority so it will probably pass.

Good luck guys, write your State reps if you haven't already and hopefully it will go through the rest of the way.

I hope it passes, but my one fear is that open carry will result in a new wave of 30.06 signs as businesses who did not ban guns that were unseen will ban them because they are being seen.

It's already moved over to the House Committee (HB910).

For anyone who'd like to listen in:

http://tlchouse.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=9&event_id=1087

Well there you go.

Thanks!

Hooooahhh
'bout time.

I imagine there will be a lot of CHL folks carrying at first but once the novelty wears off few will. I'm more interested in "Campus carry" as our Daughter is commuting off campus. Also...hospital carry. Especially for employees. Women have to work late as hospital staff and many attend night classes for CEUs and advancement so they're double disarmed by current law but also in the most danger. A 120# nurse...technician or surgeon is no match for a 220# thug/rapist. She needs her male companion with her since campus and hospital PD are not always readily available for escort. Her male companions would be...Mr. Ruger...Col. Colt...Messrs. Smith and Wesson or Mr. Kel-tec.

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The up-side of concealed carry is that it's pretty much a non-issue for businesses because no one really knows if someone is carrying a gun or not. Any complaint about it is purely a "what-if" scenario and whoever is complaining can be dismissed with "it's corporate policy" and a phone number.

Open carry will remove a business's ability to be neutral on the issue, because complaints won't be abstract. There will be a person the complainant can point to and say "they're making me fear for my life". There will be a name and a face that the media can latch on to, especially if it's a little old lady.

All it will take is one or two incidents involving an OC'er and a business will have a "good" reason to put up a sign. The slippery slope premise dictates that once one sign is up (no OC), it will be much easier to put up a second (no CC).

Public opinion routinely turns into policy and policy has a way of turning into law. Those that open carry will unfortunately be characterized as representatives of all gun owners in the media, so any misstep or abuse will be heavily magnified; and since the shennanigans pulled by the various open carry groups proves that there are people who own guns who love intimidating others with them, it's hard for me to imagine that this won't end up adding fuel to the anti-gun fire at some point.

That being said, this will absolutely be a win for gun owners and proponents of states rights everywhere if/when this passes. I may be a massive pessimist, but a win is still a win.

Open carry, guns, intimidation ....

That's good about Texas open carry.
Id add that holster/secured carry is a smart idea. I've had a few "mishaps" where handguns slip or fell out. Not good, .

I don't really get the "intimidation" point some anti-gun & pro-gun/2A/open carry supporters make.
Unless you are wearing a Desert Eagle .50AE or a B&T 9mm machine pistol or stomping around starting fights/arguments in public, I don't think any open carry gun owner would be very intimidating .
Regular OC is not yet street legal where I live but I've done it in other places with zero problems(a M&P .45acp Compact in a SERPA CQC left hand).

If OC were legal or if I visited my ex in the Lone Star state, more than likely Id tote my M&P Shield 9x19mm. That definately wouldn't intimidate anyone.
A quick glance might have passers by think it was a smartphone or a knife case.

FWIW; Savoy Leather has a cool white leather holster with a Mexican Skull artwork.
That might be "peacocking" but I don't care, that's slick!

approval to allowing licensed open carry

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Why would you need a license? Who is going to check? If a bunch of folks who look like they might be illegal aliens are wearing guns, does that mean they will be profiled and checked?

Something seems to be missing here

I hope OC passes in TX.

I'm in NM and AZ every year and I can OC there. I don't like the idea that I can't OC in any state. In CA I can't OC or CC. I doubt I'll ever set foot in that f'd up state again.

I can CC in TX with my permit but I don't like to CC when I hike or train my dog. CC is for city folk. I may be in TX next year.

There are lots of occasions where OC is preferable to CC. Why not be able to do both.

You folks support this any way you can. We have OC where I live and it needs to happen in TX.

"All it will take is one or two incidents involving an OC'er and a business will have a "good" reason to put up a sign. The slippery slope premise dictates that once one sign is up (no OC), it will be much easier to put up a second (no CC)."
You act like there is no cost for restricting carry...

TCB

There are lots of occasions where OC is preferable to CC. Why not be able to do both.

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Outside of the outdoor sports like hunting, camping, and fishing, please enlighten where OC is preferable.

Rusty, never underestimate the phobia in the hopolophobic.

Back when I used to teach a women's defense class, I had a bag for the protective suit that also included a bright blue, solid plastic, for-training 1911. Third class session one time, gal come in, sees the blue 'gun' and freaks like some one had just covered her in spiders. Ran out of the classroom and down the hall screaming. That was close to 20 years' ago now.

Yes, I know, logical fallacy arguing from specific to general--but, it's still an object lesson. If you have read this far, I absolutely owe you the punch line.

I had quipped, "Fleeing armed assailants is next session." So, one of the nice Texas ladies in class says "Wale hail, Guess she doan wanne see mah 44 thain!" (That latter being a very nice Bulldog in .44spl)

Begging Mr Ettin's forebarence,

the outdoor sports like hunting, camping, and fishing, please enlighten

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Is precisely where it is presently illegal in Texas--this is the issue that needed addressing. Not any issue about strolling down the Riverwalk or the like.

Also, I'm still more than some troubled that OC will require a license.

It has been quite the effort to get 252 counties of LE to practice some semblance of uniform enforcement.