•••243 win and pistol powder•••?

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Granddaughter is gettin to where she wants to deer hunt.
Shots will be under 50 yds.
80 gr speer bullet. Can I load this with 2400 or unique for around 1800-2000 fps ? Should make a light recoil
What say y’all?
 
Earlier Speer manuals had reduced loads for their 85gr and 90gr bullets using IMR4198. No such loads in the newer Speer manuals.

The 243 doesn't recoil too much. Perhaps she could become accustomed to standard 80gr starting loads with some practice.
 
Granddaughter is gettin to where she wants to deer hunt.

How old?

I wouldn’t bother trying to reduce recoil with pistol powders in 243win - and damned sure wouldn’t send any 6mm bullets after deer at sub-2000fps. I’ve put too many kids 5-9yrs old behind 243win, 6 & 6.5 Grendels, 6.8 SPC’s, 6-45’s, 6 Dasher’s, and 6 Creeds to think a guy really needs to work towards such anemic loads.

Put a stock on it that actually fits her frame - short LOP and high comb - use a recoil pad and double ear pro (plugs and muffs), and don’t imply that the recoil might be too much. Let her stand behind sticks or a tripod when practicing to help avoid the potential for bad posture behind the rifle, and just let her bang with the 243win.
 
I loaded & my kids shot 30-06 with 110 gr Hornady jacketed bullet using Alliant's 2400 @ 24 grs. Target shooting.
Less powder for the 243 win.

wouldn’t send any 6mm bullets after deer at sub-2000fps.

No worse then archery hunting with bow and arrow? Learn tracking.

The bullet should be designed for larger game. I would want an exit hole. Sierra #1530 would be my choice of bullet.
 
wouldn’t send any 6mm bullets after deer at sub-2000fps.

No worse than archery hunting with bow and arrow? Learn tracking.

Absolute nonsense.

My son’s bow will penetrate through a deer with a ~200-220fps impact velocity with a ~350 grain arrow, it has an SD of over 0.8, pushing through a blade cutting over 1” diameter - CUTTING on contact instead of crushing tissue.

An 80grn 6mm bullet designed for 3400fps MV, but impacting at 1600fps is a drill bit.

Slow bullets which fail to expand aren’t arrows. “Tracking” a deer with a bullet diameter hole on one or both sides, and a tiny internal wound tract is not the same thing as tracking a deer with its heart and lung nearly cut in half by a broadhead, with an exit wound laid an inch open, and an exit an inch and a half.


Sierra #1530 would be my choice of bullet.

From Sierra’s webpage for the #1530 85 HPBT:
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You’ll note, the “small cases” in pistol length barrels they’re mentioning here are still leaving the muzzle over 2500fps - a 6BR is sending it out over 2650, impacting over 2200fps for conventional hunting distances, and Sierra is still calling it a “hard bullet” for these velocities, suggesting it won’t open much at these speeds, and further, stating it’s really only viable for varmints at close distances… where it’s impact velocity is still 200-400fps HIGHER than being proposed here.

For perspective - Pushing this bullet at only 1800-2000 MV is equivalent to shooting over 450yrds on deer with this bullet from a 6BR handgun. Not exactly “the same thing as “close distance” on “varmints.”

I’d want far more confidence in expansion characteristics at 1500-1600fps impact velocity before I chased this particular rabbit. And again, if the kid is older than 5, we probably don’t need to chase the “reduced recoil 243win” rabbit any way.
 
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Granddaughter is gettin to where she wants to deer hunt.
Shots will be under 50 yds.
80 gr speer bullet. Can I load this with 2400 or unique for around 1800-2000 fps ? Should make a light recoil
What say y’all?
I think initial training on marksmanship could be done with reduced rounds, but a 243 is a round where speed is the primary killer. You might help a little by having her shoot off one of the clamping tripods where significant mass is added to the system.
 
Do you have a chronograph? I’ve used some (2 or 3 at most) reduced loads from the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual with jacketed bullets in 30-30. If velocity could be verified maybe something similar could be found with an appropriate velocity and bullet for a 243. I did not use these loads to hunt. I was exploring a 150 grain load in the 800 to 1000 ft-lb range.
 
It would be in a NEF handi rifle with wood youth stock. I might down load for her to get used to it then bring up the charges a little to around 2400 fps.
 
I suggest instead of using pistol powders use Hodgdon's tested Reduced Velocity formula cor H4985.

Look up the max charge for your 80gr bullet and H4895. Then use 60% of that charge. (multiple by 0.6) That will give you the reduced load which can be adjusted up for accuracy and velocity you want.

Example, Hodgdon lists a max charge of H4895 @38.0gr for an 80gr Sierra BTSP bullet.
38 X .6 = 22.8gr as your charge. I have used the Hodgdon 60% formula for the 30-06 and 30-30 and both worked extremely well.
 
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