TexasRifleman
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Car Knocker said:
You are correct.
If you live in a house in Texas, there is absolutely zero chance that your house had no illegals involved somewhere unless you built it all yourself.
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You are correct.
If you live in a house in Texas, there is absolutely zero chance that your house had no illegals involved somewhere unless you built it all yourself.
If you have ever purchased a single item of produce from a grocery store you have a direct financial link to the illegal that picked it, and by your logic share culpability in the criminal act. Hell, but spending money with any business who's building was built with any illegal labor you are contributing to the problem, and that means just about everywhere you shop.
Yeah, only national companies hire illegals
Some of the biggest employers of illegal aliens are small "locally owned" construction companies.+1
Notice one person conspiciously absent from the list of people arrested? The guy who actually, directly and deliberately hired illegals to work on his site. No jobs = no illegals, and as long as this guy is hiring them they will be there no matter how many get arrested.
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nvrquit said:
He's out looking for his next work crew and trying to make America stronger in the process.
shootinstudent
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Yep...and no illegals means higher prices across the board. Want to take bets on how long the borders will be closed, if the politicians manage to do it in the first place?
The only answer is revised and sensible immigration policy. Start with cleaning out the incompetents at the INS who can't process a sheet of paper in under 10 years and who granted visas to the 9-11 bombers after the planes hit. If the need for legal immigration can be handled efficiently, it will be a whole lot easier to focus Law Enforcement attention on the smaller groups who will be crossing the border illegaly.
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Car Knocker said:
I can't speak for the house since it was built in 1972. I did just have some major remodeling work done, and one of the stipulations was no day labor. Amazing how many contractors refused to deal with me...
The mechanic is easier. I've been going to a private shop for over 10 years and know all the employees by name. The owner/manager can't stand illegals.
iiibdsiil
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My step-dad is a sub-contractor on a couple jobsites. He came home laughing one day, and told me that this happened at the jobsite. He said that the place was so dead, they closed up early because there was hardly anyone to do the actual labor, just the bosses around to give orders.
How it works is the sub-contractor contracts work out to smaller companies, basically it's a "John Dow Enterprises" company. This person is a legal immigrant. He then hires the illegal immigrants to do that labor, and then pays them crap pay. You can tell who the legal immigrant is because he has all sorts of gold on, and a halfway decent car.
How it works is the sub-contractor contracts work out to smaller companies, basically it's a "John Dow Enterprises" company. This person is a legal immigrant. He then hires the illegal immigrants to do that labor, and then pays them crap pay. You can tell who the legal immigrant is because he has all sorts of gold on, and a halfway decent car.
Get rid of the demand
How about getting rid of the demand for illegals. Seems to me that there are a lot of people in the welfare class that are able to work. If the welfare system was abolished, then the market would have more legals looking for work. If it meant that work was the only way they could feed themselves, I'm sure they would push the illegals out of the market.
Lots of those people from New Orleans looked like they could work if they had to.
How about getting rid of the demand for illegals. Seems to me that there are a lot of people in the welfare class that are able to work. If the welfare system was abolished, then the market would have more legals looking for work. If it meant that work was the only way they could feed themselves, I'm sure they would push the illegals out of the market.
Lots of those people from New Orleans looked like they could work if they had to.
mtnbkr
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I'll pay the extra .02 per loaf to make sure legal workers get the job.rick_reno said:
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mtnbkr said:
An extra .02 that winds up putting food on the tables of LEGAL workers?
Hell, make it .05.
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The contractor could have saved himself some grief if he had thrown a couple of bucks at the union business agents. The BA's couldn't give a dang about their members. Send the BA and his family to the islands for a winter vacation and the illegals wouldn't have been noticed.
Sheldon J
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True story a few years back a contractor was using mexican green carders to abate abestos. One day the conversation went something like this.
Him; where's jose?
them; jose get married he no here.
him; where's garcia?
them; garcia he get drunk he no here.
him; fine then go clean up the 4th floor.
them; no understand de english
him; understand this then your fired.
them; oh we understand now.. go clean 4th floor.
Him; where's jose?
them; jose get married he no here.
him; where's garcia?
them; garcia he get drunk he no here.
him; fine then go clean up the 4th floor.
them; no understand de english
him; understand this then your fired.
them; oh we understand now.. go clean 4th floor.
Sindawe
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+1
Or at least be making an passable attempt at learning the language like the Korean chap who owns a local liquor store, or the Ethiopian cutie who waited on us several years ago at Ras Kassa's in Boulder.
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R.H. Lee said:
Please return almost everything you own as the majority of products are made by individuals who do not speak english.
This is one of the most ignorant, rascist statements and frames of mind I have ever witnessed. Replies to threads such as these do nothing to take the conversation to the "High Road" and align topics such as this with those of the white supremists, KKK and Aryian Nation ideologies.
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liberty911 said:
Gimme a break.
longeyes
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Fluency in English is the quick litmus test for legitimate residency and legal labor status. Given the "huh, what problem?" attitude of Big Gov't and all too many businesses it is inevitable that people will evolve their own, however imperfect in the ideal scheme of things, ways of coping with this avalanche.
A lot of us believe that the glue of the nation's culture is the ability to speak and read and write English. We have ample reason to believe that. That doesn't preclude knowledge of other languages--I myself am not monolingual, for example--but it does mean an acceptance that the language of government and business and general culture in the United States shall be English. "E pluribus unum" is still on our currency, and it is still a wise motto.
It goes without saying that we are not talking about foreign makers of goods when we assert the primacy of English.
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Hey, what language is that? Doesn't look like english to me...a bit ironic, don't you think, citing a wise and ancient motto that is in another language to support the idea that english only is the way to go?
IMO, focusing on english only is focusing on all the wrong details. Wanting to work hard, not bother others, and respect freedom are much, much more important in my view to being an American than learning english. If a guy can say in any language that he supports individual rights and hard work, I'm more than happy to welcome him to America.
I think we'd have more allies in the pro gun community if we took the effort to recognize the political potential that immigrants, mostly coming from more conservative places than the average american city, can offer, even if they don't speak english.
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NCP24 said:
I am sixth generation American. My relatives came from Italy and Germany. They did not speak english. Imagine the welcome "no speaky english, no wlecome" would have been.
I own a Harely and a Ford. Never owned a foreign car. I am a capitalist and buy what gives me the best value for the dollar. I nthe same breath I refuse to shop at the Wal Marts of the world.
I personally know many illegals and their children who have been more successful and are more "American" than many born here and they can't speak a word of english. Many I have found are very suportive of the 2nd amendement firearm rights and have gone to the range with me. On the other hand I know more english speaking "Americans" who are more than willing to take away the peoples right to bear arms. For me the choice is simple. You look at the person, not their color, language, nationality, or sex. No one is indiginous to America. Everyone is am immigrant, many who came here without being able to speak english. I once thought that speaking english was the only true american sign. Fortunatly, I have learned otherwise. I wasted alot of time with anomisty towards those who did not speak english.
+1. That is the type of attitude that any worthy cause should have. Dividingpeople based upon looks, speach, religion, race or sex limits ones mind, one's freedoms and limits the principles this county was founded upon.
BTW, I love the quote of latin in support that only english should be spoken in America.
AFAIK, neither looks, religion, race, or sex are any barrier to speaking English. A common language and culture is (used to be) one of the great strengths of this country. We're increasingly becoming a multicultural tower of babel with competing, self-serving interests. Government at all levels caters to non English speaking people, providing them services in their native language. It's expensive, devisive, and unnecessary. Furthermore, it relegates them to second class citizenship, which is racist.
Here's what Theodore Roosevelt had to say, a hundred years ago:
"Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country. "
"There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship... We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house."
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