Thank you for the welcome. The 28 rd are on gunbroker and similar sites. They are somewhat hard to come by due to the demand, but I know a few places locally (South, FL) have had them in at points (while the lasted), and I see them from time to time resurface. As for the original thread: The .45 has alot going for it. Its a predictible manstopper with a proven track record, I just seem to favor the 10mm. I also want a G30/G36, but not becaue the 10mm has let me down...I just want both. The recoil between the two calibers is different, but does not hinder my target acquisition for follow up shots any more or less. Obviously if I step down to a 9mm or .380 there is a difference, but between the .45 and 10mm it is negligible. Both will make huge wound channels and have plenty of "knock down" power. I just feel safer knowing that if I need to shoot through glass or thick clothing or obstructions, that I have the best chance of doing so with a 10mm. Either way I wouldnt hunt with them: handgun + bear = wounded angry bear ...not something I ever want to see...thats why we have long guns & bear traps! Getting shot with either is deadly. Its like comparing a Camaro and a Trans Am. Both similar under the hood, just minor differences to the positive and negative. Taking either car as your daily driver is good enough to keep up with whatever is called for...and then some...with these two glocks (calibers) I feel the same way. PS: For "Ultimate-Ratio" if we are talking super calibers, dont forget the 10mm Magnum in that comparison...lets not compare apples to oranges!