1500 SPP $82.50 ; $0.05 primers are back!!

[Mark_Mark]

^^^^CCI small pistol primers were $31 three summers ago at Powder Valley.
When do you predict those prices will return?

next week or at lease by Labor day! 2 factories down, 1 to go

 

[gifbohane]

Remember that there is a war going on, summer is here so there is a lot of recreational shooting, with hunting right around the corner.

We also lost access to the Russian imported primers and ammunition, so that puts a bigger load in the US and European factories.

A year before the Ukrainian invasion they became completely unavailable. Then a very few became available at triple the price, all before the war. I was on a "notify" list for primers for 2 years...never got a call. No one ever was able to explain why the disappearance of primers occurred. Lots of theories. I have suspicions and theories and gun control has a lot to do with them.

Even the price of eggs never tripled.

 

[Mark_Mark]

A year before the Ukrainian invasion they became completely unavailable. Then a very few became available at triple the price, all before the war. I was on a "notify" list for primers for 2 years...never got a call. No one ever was able to explain why the disappearance of primers occurred. Lots of theories. I have suspicions and theories and gun control has a lot to do with them.

Even the price of eggs never tripled.

Cheap plain white grocery store eggs are at about $2 a dozen, not bad. Trucks are coming down in price, cuz nobody got $80,000 for a work truck

With inflation come, “Do I really need that overpriced stuff”

 

[MarshallDodge]

A year before the Ukrainian invasion they became completely unavailable. Then a very few became available at triple the price, all before the war. I was on a "notify" list for primers for 2 years...never got a call. No one ever was able to explain why the disappearance of primers occurred. Lots of theories. I have suspicions and theories and gun control has a lot to do with them.

Even the price of eggs never tripled.

Reason #1, and the biggest of them all is hoarding after a panic is a thing. There have been people on the internet bragging about their 100,000 primer stashes even though that is more than they will shoot in ten lifetimes.

I saw Powder Valley's Federal SPP go from 980 1000ct boxes to 320 in two weeks, and were completely gone two weeks later.

I never saw them completely dry up. Maybe some of the online stores were out of stock but around here you could get them. Prices were higher and quantities were limited, but you could find them if you looked hard enough. A friend had his name on a list at a local shop and he was able to get several thousand primers in 2021, but he paid $125/k. Primers were still flowing into the shop in limited quantities.


Reason#2
Remember the shutdowns? That put a huge kink in the supply chain. Even if Federal had the capacity to make the primers, there were all kinds of material shortages that continue to this day.


Reason#3
All the ammo was wiped off the shelves by the panic and new shooters. Ammo manufacturers were buying millions of primers to keep up. Those companies have contracts in place and have to meet them. They get priority over the home reloader.

You can say it is gun control but I have a friend in the business. He has large contracts with law enforcement, including DHS, and he could not get the ammo to keep them supplied.

 

[Soonerpesek]

If everyone who scoffs at the current “high” cost of primers would quit reloading, the cost would go down quickly for the rest of us….

 

[gifbohane]

Around here primers were 100% unobtainable. The internet gougers were selling some on ebay. Receipt of primers was a lottery spin after paying them.

I also saw and read about a lot of guys learning how to make their own primers. I went on you tube to see if it was feasible. Guys were happy with 80 percent success. Found a few videos and decided that the RISK was not worth the reward. The failures scared me, explosions.

 

[Chicken legs]

I thought NYS 8% sales tax was high, you're at 10.10

 

[ballman6711]

Reason#2
Remember the shutdowns? That put a huge kink in the supply chain. Even if Federal had the capacity to make the primers, there were all kinds of material shortages that continue to this day.

Add to this the worker shortages from people being sick or just taking advantage of the generous sick leave policies during the covid "pandemic". I even got two weeks off paid because I had a fever one morning. Wasn't covid, and I didn't want to take time off because I didn't want to put my work load on my coworkers, but they told me go home and don't come back for two weeks.

Let's not forget all the other things that have happened in the last three years. You guys have already mentioned most of them, so I won't repeat it.

But, prices are coming down a bit, and availability is certainly getting better.

chris

 

[CQB45ACP]

Cheap plain white grocery store eggs are at about $2 a dozen, not bad. Trucks are coming down in price, cuz nobody got $80,000 for a work truck

With inflation come, “Do I really need that overpriced stuff”

I’ve tried but just can’t get eggs to seat flush.

 

[CQB45ACP]

I wish we could fly with the stuff. I’m going to NV on business for a week and would love to be able to raid their LGS’s. We’re still dry around here.
I think Florida is becoming a factory ammo only state. So many CWL’s vs hunters and the permit holders are all scared to carry reloads.

Drive home?

 

[Mark_Mark]

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I thought NYS 8% sales tax was high, you're at 10.10

HECK YEAH!!!!!!! Fed LPP!!! #11 caps $6!!!! but $0.10 for paper bag! just go to the meat department and get free paper bags!!!

10.10% for roads and homeless needles IED firebombs, and the bureaucrats that enable it all …. but NO STATE INCOME TAX!!!

 

[Mark_Mark]

I’ve tried but just can’t get eggs to seat flush.

ooooh it will! little hot sauce and you will be flush seat in no time

 

[Walkalong]

I finally got them to work 100of100! on my vintage .38’s. the solution is to hand seat them, rub the back for flushness.. and BAM! works great

note: they are tighter than CCI’s

What! Seat them fully! Who knew.

 

[Walkalong]

That's good to see. I was paying $20/k or $30/1.5k for Fiocchi about 2 years before the pandemic.

Wish I had bought some of those

 

[DMW1116]

I've been getting the 2-sleeve limit from the local Sportsmans Warehouse for the last couple of months on the Fiochi pistol primers. I hope they actually work. I have 2098 as of last count. I dropped a sleeve and couldn't find 2 of them. If they keep having them in stock, I plan to switch to small rifle primers next time I go through NC.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I've been getting the 2-sleeve limit from the local Sportsmans Warehouse for the last couple of months on the Fiochi pistol primers. I hope they actually work. I have 2098 as of last count. I dropped a sleeve and couldn't find 2 of them. If they keep having them in stock, I plan to switch to small rifle primers next time I go through NC.

Make sure they are fully seated if your Progressive pressing them! Something about needing to squeeze them square + flush in the primer pocket to function properly. Probably an Italian design, you know they keep thing a bit complicated

 

[DMW1116]

I’m still running off a single stage press. I don’t trust myself to set a progressive up, though I may have to go to a turret press for volume soon.

 

[DMW1116]

I plan to try a box of 50 when I load 9mm again. I got a few empty boxes for 9mm storage purposes over the last couple range trips.

 

[jmorris]

There have been people on the internet bragging about their 100,000 primer stashes even though that is more than they will shoot in ten lifetimes.

About a year and a half’s worth for a competitive pistol shooter.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I’m still running off a single stage press. I don’t trust myself to set a progressive up, though I may have to go to a turret press for volume soon.

those brass kickers look really neat for single stage volume!

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

If everyone who scoffs at the current “high” cost of primers would quit reloading, the cost would go down quickly for the rest of us….

If it helps, I haven't bought primers in almost two years. I did pick up some CCI LPP in 2020 to help out a few people. I also bought some Remington 1-1/2's for my .32S&W's in (I think) the Fall of '21. I had some, just couldn't find them and thought I was out. Now I have plenty.

I promise not to buy more for at least two more years, just to be a buddy.

 

[2ndtimer]

I've been getting the 2-sleeve limit from the local Sportsmans Warehouse for the last couple of months on the Fiochi pistol primers. I hope they actually work. I have 2098 as of last count. I dropped a sleeve and couldn't find 2 of them. If they keep having them in stock, I plan to switch to small rifle primers next time I go through NC.

I managed to pick up over 5,000 of them, two sleeves per day over the course of several months, and last week they finally let me purchase an entire brick of 1500 at one time. Oh, and I have successfully loaded about a thousand 9mm’s and “unloaded” several hundred with zero issues. (Other than juggling to get 100 primers at a time into the tubes for the Dillon 550.)

 

[MarshallDodge]

A guy posted today on another forum, purchased at his local gun store today, $50/k



I guess someone decided to let up on the gun control

 

[reddog81]

About a year and a half’s worth for a competitive pistol shooter.

My goal pre-pandemic was to have a 40,000 stash. I was actually a little over that once I sat down and counted them once prices hit $200 per K. My new goal is 100,000. That'd be about a 10 year supply. I'll wait to buy large quantities until prices stop falling.

 

[jmorris]

A guy posted today on another forum, purchased at his local gun store today, $50/k

It’s unfortunate that they do this to themselves. I do try to support local business but if they are trying to stick it to me, I don’t mind driving by empty buildings…