1911 carry

[1911NM]

Sorry I cannot find it at the moment, but I do recall a story, on one of the 1911 forums where a LEO had gotten into a physical altercation with a suspect, evidently fought all over a stair well, against walls, bannisters, and after handcuffing and things cooled down, he noticed, a portion of the hammer of his 1911 (carried Cond. 1) had been broken off, and what was left was bent, but the hammer never fell. The pic posted was just amazing, regarding the abuse that hammer took, but it didn't drop. Again, just my recollection, I can't find it to back up the story.

 

[1911Tuner]

The military way is not necessarily the best way. In fact, often it is not. (and I mean this as no disrespect to those who have served or their NCOs)

None taken. There are some very good reasons that the military teaches the troops to keep their weapons clear until it's time to go hot. There are literally tens of thousands of recruits who undergo weapons training and familiarization every year. Most of them have never even fired a gun, or even handled one. Many have never even seen one outside of sidearms carried by police officers. "Training" doesn't equate to "Expert."

 

[James41]

"If he doesn't like to carry that way, that's his choice. He has plenty of options among other guns available. Why do you care what he thinks?...DMK"

Why? because i don't care much for people running around the internet spreading misinformation. Being in the service for 4 years does not make anyone an expert on weapons. Being a cop does not make them an expert, and even though he says he was an intructor in the police, i seriously doubt that makes him an expert as many times those jobs go to who ever will take them...

The man does know a lot about weapons, i give him that. Normally his opinion is respected as knowledgable, but i think he is wrong this time. His main argument is the military carrys them empty, and many police departments carry them empty.

Well duh! there is good reason for it, in the military they just don't have the time to train a million recruits in proper handeling of the 1911 and make them safe so they have them carry empty. In the police departments the reason is mostly because of lawsuits. Every shyster lawyer in the country will sue on that very reason.

Despite repeated requests for data backing up his position about C&L all he gives is his personal opinion, but he presents it as fact which he does not back up except with more personal opinion. How many uninformed newbies now believe that a 1911 is the most dangerous weapon on the market because of his constant preaching misinformation?

 

[tegemu]

The military only goes cocked and locked or "Lock and Load" when the potential for combat is high. We civilians face that potential 24/7/365 so we need to be ready for it.

 

[Nelson Fix]

Look at it this way: if the bogeyman suddenly confronts me with harmful intent, would he prefer that my 1911 be chambered and ready to fire, or would he prefer that it not be? I agree with TEGMU's response that as civilians, we face danger 24/7/365 and need to be ready for it. As for the "safe" aspect, if you train appropriately, you'll be safe. When I first got my first handgun for CCW, I left it unchambered the first time I carried. When I returned home, I decided I was being ridiculous. It's all about being ready. The act of drawing alone is enough of an impediment to deal with, and even if you're fast and it's a fairly automatic response for you, you STILL might not survive in an out-of-the-blue do-or-die situation. Therefore, I think not being cocked and locked is more unsafe than other options -- if you're a safe 1911 handler. Off the subject, I just saw a 1911 t-shirt that, although I probably wouldn't wear it, is pretty cool. It has an implied 9/11 message to it. It's a 1911 with 19/11 printed on the barrel. Saw it at http://www.cafepress.com/1911tshirt

 

[highorder]

I have personal experience with a 1922 Commercial Colt that was stored in an attic in Condition One for 62 years following the sudden death of its owner.
After a cursory examination, the gun functioned perfectly with the ammunition that was in it.

simply wonderful. I wonder if the magazine spring had taken a "set".

 

[mpmarty]

My feelings on the subject are mixed. When issued ammo, we carried C&L in the Corps back in the fifties. I still carry that way when I pack my 1911 concealed. That said, I do find myself "groping" the left side of the slide covertly to reassure myself the safety is still in the "UP" position. I don't like the detent spring and the gun is going to a 'smith for either deeper dimple or stronger spring to make the movement of the safety more positive.