247 People on Terror Watch List Bought Guns

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what constitutes a "tie to terrorism"......that number means nothing without a deffinition.
 
I once heard Salman Rushdie call our homeland security operation the "Department of False Alarms"..... and I've seen little to disprove it.
 
And how many should not be on that list? There have been proven to be little kids, 8 or 9 y/old on that list. Others are on the list because they happen to have the same name as somebody that is wanted. Others are on the list because they pissed off the TSA. In the end, it's just Lautenburg perpetually pushing for gun control.
 
I agree.

The gun control advocates are now using this to push for closing the so-called "Gun Show Loophole".

Gee, if they already ran a NICS check and it came back approved I fail to see how this would effect private sales? What the gun control advocates want is for every sale to go through a dealer. That would also outlaw Daddy giving his guns to family members before passing on, or family and friends inheriting those guns, without having the transfer go through a dealer.

I oppose all gun control, but then I support freedom.

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How hard would it be to add an entire organization such as the NRA to this list? How about the Tea Party or anyone that opposes the current government.
I don't like the idea of stripping away someone's rights if they haven't done anything. This is especially true as there are almost no means to redress being wrongly added to this list. I suppose if the national news runs your story as they did with Ted Kennedy and a 6 yr old boy then you might get off of this secret list. I suspect that the average American would have a very hard time clearing his/her name.
So the gov estimates that there are a bit under 500,000 on the list. I've seen others estimate that the number is closer to 1 million. As it's a secret list we'll never know.
I do know that there is a lot of potential for abuse and it would not be hard to add a local gun club to the list or any organization that is against the current Administration.
 
whatcha wanna bet that an one of us that have been flagged by the ATF for multiple firearms purchases within the reportable time limits are on this list.:banghead: There is a fine line that has been arbitrarily drawn as to who is safe and who needs watching. As stated there are a bunch of us that are on that enemy list because we are doing what we always do on a daily basis resulting to no harm to anyone for that matter.:fire: Suppose they are not bothering to watch our credit card purchases ???:scrutiny: I am on a few of those lists I am sure.:neener:
 
Any commoner who believes he has a right to keep and bear arms is a suspect. Suspects aren't allowed to buy guns. Solves that!

No, we're not quite that far down the path to socialist paradise yet.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
Should a person lose his right to keep and bear arms with no trial, no crime, nothing but rumors to back up such a drastic step?
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Frank Lautenberg and Carolyn McCarthy obviously think so.
 
So they would have us return to the era of McCarthyism? Where peoples rights were violated and lives/careers ruined because some government official claimed their names were on a secret list?

We need to be protected from them as well as terrorism.
 
Posting on this forum might get your name on a list somewhere if the wrong people get in power. No American should be denied constitutional rights without due process. The terror watch list should be limited to just that; watching. If it goes beyond that without trial and conviction it becomes the tip of a very dangerous wedge.
 
More than 200 people suspected of ties to terrorism bought guns in the U.S. last year legally, FBI figures show.
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No duh... Many (if not most) of the people on this list have done nothing wrong. They certainly haven't been granted any form of Due Process, which used to be required to deprive one of their Constitutional rights.:rolleyes:
 
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How about this headline instead: Government wants to deprive 247 citizens of constitutional rights without due process.
 
What numerous people seem to have missed entirely is that perhaps they are keeping track of who bought guns in the first place in violation of FOPA.

Is this another Bush approved Obama continued, Attorney General supported, policy that does whatever it wants because it creates legal exemptions to what they are supposed to do in order to "fight terrorism"?
Perhaps we need to start looking at the people that are not removed from power every 4-8 years, and hold them accountable for unconstitutional policies they implement.
The official chief and cabinet changes, but many of the rest stay in the chain of command year after year. Scapegoating the constantly changing leader seems to be a way for the rest to do unconstitutional things for entire careers.


So people on an arbitrary list who have committed no prohibiting offenses bought guns.
Felonies are so easy to charge these days, just conspiracy to think about something illegal is a felony, if they really wanted them prohibited they would be prohibited.
No it isn't about these individuals, this is a push to create an arbitrary list subject to no Constitutional or due process oversight that can strip people of a guaranteed right at the whim of whoever wants to add someone to a list. If accomplished such a list would grow exponentially to make use of this unconstitutional capability.
 
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So people on an arbitrary list who have committed no prohibiting offenses bought guns.
Felonies are so easy to charge these days, just conspiracy to think about something illegal is a felony, if they really wanted them prohibited they would be prohibited.
No, this is a push to create an arbitrary list subject to no Constitutional or due process oversight that can strip people of a guaranteed right at the whim of whoever wants to add someone to a list. If accomplished such a list would grow exponentially to make use of this unconstitutional capability
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actually, conspiracy is a little more than just thinking about something illegal.....i believe there is some form of planning and organization that must take place for it to be considered a conspiracy.

example.....me thinking about how to rob a bank is not a conspiracy....

me getting burglary tools, forming a heist team, taking surveillance photos,renting a van, buying plane tickets to mexico, ect. would be considered conspiracy.
 
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