2nd church shooting in CO

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Colorado Springs an hour or so ago. Details are still sketchy.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting.ap/index.html

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- A gunman opened fire in the parking lot of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, striking four people, the church's pastor said.

The conditions of the people shot outside the New Life Church were not known, El Paso County Sheriff's Lt. Lari Sevene said.

Lance Coles, a pastor at New Life Church, told The Associated Press he received a report that a man was shooting at people in the church parking lot and that the gunman may have entered the church.

It was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away in the Denver suburb of Arvada. There, two people died and two were wounded early Sunday when a gunman opened fire in a dormitory at a missionary training center on the campus of Faith Bible Chapel.

New Life was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was fired last year after a former male prostitute alleged he had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with him.

Haggard, then the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, admitted committing undisclosed "sexual immorality."

The church is one of Colorado's largest with about 10,000 members.
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These copy-cat crimes are really going to destroy our RTBA.
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Or push people to a point where they finally realize that the government can't protect them and they need to have some "skin in the game" as it were.

If that awakening ever happens that will be the end of gun control. Will be interesting to see which one happens first.
 
How ironic. I am at my parent's watching football, and due to the cold weather (under 20 degrees), I am carrying OWB, using my jacket as concealment when outside. Of course in the house the gun is clear as daylight. I got a snide comment about being paranoid.

Then this happens. Some people just never learn.
 
"Or push people to a point where they finally realize that the government can't protect them and they need to have some "skin in the game" as it were.

If that awakening ever happens that will be the end of gun control. Will be interesting to see which one happens first."

After years of anti-gun propaganda and conditioning you just have too many people who are psychologically incapable of defending themselves. Many young men I come in contact with have absolutely no backbone or any principles I can detect. They are indeed sheep.

We have allowed millions of people both legal and illegal to flood into the country who were mostly from countries that didn't allow firearms ownership by their citizens so they have no culture of firearms ownership.

Women are the driving force in politics these days and most women will always choose to let someone else protect them.

It doesn't look good.

These are just my views of course and I could be dead wrong.
 
We need to ban guns in churches.
No wait that still wont work.


Had to edit this post because......

It's #300
 
I just heard the pastor of this church speak on the radio.
He said that the gunman was killed in return fire from officers that were off duty who were concealed carrying and also private church members that were carrying concealed too.
There were church members saying that the situation had changed their minds on the importance of people carrying concealed weapons.
I hope this can be used as a tool to say "HEY! If these people hadn't been carrying, many more deaths could have taken place! These people are truly heros".
We'll see.
 
^ And now another news network is reporting there are a few dead and nobody knows if one of them is the shooter or not, and blah blah blah. Man...I love mixed information
 
Nightwing said,

I just heard the Pastor of this church speak on the radio.

He said that the gunman was killed in return fire from officers that were off duty who were concealed carrying and also private church members that were carrying concealed too.

There were church members saying that the situation had changed their minds on the importance of people carrying concealed weapons.
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Three'll getcha ten that the Pastor's observation never gets publicised in the national media.

It's a bet I hope to lose.

Can you nail that quote down with a link or the radio station call letters (or whatever) for future documentation?

[Luke 22:36]
 
I'd have no problem carrying in church. If I was there for the right reasons I would love the people around me to do what I could to be prepared to protect them if something like this happened.

Talk about an act of love! Taking the burden of protecting a congregations lifes?
 
Nope, doesn't bother me at all. No weapons in a place of worship was a reaction of the Roman Catholic chruch to altar plate and such being stolen, IMHO. So, by laying the law of the Lord on no weapons, they might get people to be unarmed in church. Jesus told his followers to sell thier cloak and buy a sword. Not the words of someone who hates arms.
 
I carry to church. I do not like carrying off my body, but for church I use a "day planner" that I converted with some foam rubber pads a few years back. It looks just like a Bible cover. In fact I have had a couple of people ask where I got the cover and one actually asked to hold it. I usual carry to a M1911A1 in it.

The church we attend is fairly large for the local area, and has at least 4 LEO that attend that I know of. At least one of them is usually there on Sunday in uniform. One of the two pastors also carries, I am not sure if he does it while preaching, but he does when he is "off duty."
 
He said that the gunman was killed in return fire from officers that were off duty who were concealed carrying and also private church members that were carrying concealed too.
There were church members saying that the situation had changed their minds on the importance of people carrying concealed weapons.
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I live near Colorado Springs, and teach classes that qualify people for the concealed carry permit. Business is picking up, and I expect it to pick up even more.

Colorado Springs is most emphatically not the right place for criminals to commit crimes. State-wide, Colorado has far fewer CCW holders than, say, Texas. El Paso County people are doing our best to make up for that.
 
National news just reported that the shooter was killed by police. No mention of CC church members!:banghead:

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Livin in Texas
 
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