2nd church shooting in CO

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Just on fox news:

The security guard who put an end to the shooting was not a Police Officer, the pastor was a bit vague on other things. The Pastor also stated point blank that New Life Church has Licensed CCW holders that volunteer to help with security at the church.
 
The security guard who put an end to the shooting was not a Police Officer, the pastor was a bit vague on other things. The Pastor also stated point blank that New Life Church has Licensed CCW holders that volunteer to help with security at the church.

I did not get that , The pastor specificly said she had an LE background before going on to explain that all armed security had ccw lincence in order to be legal . So she may well have been police , but off duty and not paid as security .. In other words any ccw but possibly carrying under a commision card rather than a ccw licence .
 
Pastor is quoted as saying....

"senseless random attack."

I think he's missed the boat....especially in light of the previous shooting at the YWAM dorm.

I would say it sounds more like a vindictive, deliberate anti-Christian attack.

Re. the "security" persons LE background....it sounds like he's being deliberately vague and doesn't want to publish the name of the gal who saved the day. LE background could mean and MP, LEO, Corrections Officer....it could mean a lot of things.

The church I attend has been working up and implementing a security plan for several months. We have an "usher" at all entrances during the entire Sunday morning schedule of activities. Several of these folks have pistol permits.

Recently, a nearby church had a "visitor" come during the time period in-between services and attempt to get a 12 year old boy to leave the building with him, under the guise of needing help. The boy went and told his Sunday school teacher and the "visitor" made a rapid departure. Fortunately, that churches Pastor sent a letter to every other congregation in the area, explaining the situation, so they could be on the lookout for such visitors.

So now, we have to have a pervert patrol at all the youth activities as well.

The changes you see in this country have been brewing for a long time and my guess is that they are irreversable and that they will get much, much worse.
 
Just on fox news:

Never put any stock in anything the TV talking heads report. Those fools will repeat anything handed to them with little regard for accuracy. Local newspapers will have the best local sources and provide the most accurate information.
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What is Boyd's official title? I'd like to write him and ask him to publically award the woman that returned fire

Wikipedia gives his title as "Senior Pastor". The media keep identifying him as "Pastor". I am sure either one would work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Church_(Colorado_Springs,_Colorado)

Yahoo gives the address as:

New Life Church
11025 Voyager Pky
Colorado Springs, CO 80921

(http://local.yahoo.com/details?id=19713268)

I am sure that if you send a letter there with "Pastor Brady Boyd" in the address it will make its way to him.
 
[email protected]

theres the general office E-Mail of the church. Please express your sorrow for the loss, and your approval of the woman that ended the event by bravely returning fire. Please, encourage them to get the media involved in some sort of award ceremony or something like that, and a memorial for the victims!
Thanks guys
 
"Chief Myers Colorado Springs PD just announced that it was a female Security Guard."

I have not seen anyone make this point/ask this question, so I will. I am not a big church goer, but I have been in plenty over my lifetime for what ever reasons, and I have never seen a security gurad, much less an armed security guard. I don't know if it's a regional thing or what, but have any of you ever gone a to a church that had an armed security guard?

OK, so from what I gather of this thread: what we actually have is a regular person who attended the church who has a CCW who took out the BG, and was thus called a "security guard" when in fact what we have here is a true case of Civi CCW putting the BG down. Is that correct? No doubt, we reallly need to get the full details of who this person was, and if it s a case of true Civi CCW preventing a shooting spree, we as gun owners need to spread that around by any means possible and correct our local media, etc of their mistake.

I heard on the radio today it was stopped by a "security guard" and without even looking it up, my BS meter went off, so of course I checked THR!
 
I thought the statement was conflicting too.

The gunman was killed by an armed security volunteer at the church before police arrived, authorities said.

Guard 'probably saved 100 lives'
Boyd said the security guard rushed the attacker, who didn’t get more than 6 feet inside the building, and “took him down in the hallway.”

“She probably saved 100 lives,” Boyd said of the guard.

Rushed the Attacker? Im still trying to figure that one out. I wonder if she was rushing and shooting on the run? Impressive none the less!
 
By the time the truth about this brave woman just being a regular lady with a good eye and a CCW, the news will have dropped the story. Not enough people died for their front pages and someone exercising a "controversial" right stepped up and saved the day. To them, that's not news worthy.


On a side note, why the hate for Fox News here? Do you actually watch/read Fox news? What is better? The Clinton News Network (CNN)? MSNBC doesn't show news, they have nothing but "true crime shows" and Keith Olberman who is purely an Opinion Commentator.

I find reading Fox News to be informative, and while the major Fox News shows (like all networks) are editorials, they have a good hard news shows with Hume and Gibson.
 
In my state, you cannot carry in church without permission from the leadership. So be sure to check you laws before showing up armed.
 
A bit of an update on the shooting:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html

Murray, carrying a great deal of ammunition, threw a smoke grenade into an area in which some people were gathered at the church after services, then got in his car and drove around to a different entrance, where he fired into a car -- killing two teenage girls and wounding their father, the source said.

Murray apparently fired at other cars as well, the source said.

A security guard confronted him and shot him.

The source said there were three security guards in the area of the shooting, only one of whom had a weapon. That guard fired at him, causing him to fall down, and she told him to drop his weapon, the source said. But Murray appeared to try to grab something that may have been a grenade, so the guard shot him again, the source said.
 
and I have never seen a security gurad, much less an armed security guard. I don't know if it's a regional thing or what

Well, I am a churchgoer, and it's not a mystery to me.
Church break-ins are actually pretty common. Of course, there's really nothing to take.

In more traditional churches, you might find lots of brass you could melt down & sell for scrap... my Peruvian carpool buddy said that recently a 500 year old church in Peru had some relics stolen, which would probably make it worth someone's while, but they'd have to go through several fences to get to a "collector" who is unscrupulous enough to buy such a thing for any real money, so we're not talking about immediate financial security here.

In newer churches, such as New Life, with multi-thousand member congregations, you're probably looking at a LOT of expensive A/V equipment. But how you're supposed to sneak out 300 lb. speakers in the middle of the night is beyond me.

There's a good amount of money going into collection plates, but it's largely checks, and it goes to deposit fairly immediately.

Besides shooters and burglars, churches do tend to attract drifters on a regular basis. There's a whole class of people who just float from church to church looking for handouts. If you literally have no place else to go, a church will generally help - and there are rotten people out there who know that.

My wife was a daytime secretary for a couple different churches, and from some of her stories, I think I would have liked her to be armed.
 
I don't know if it's a regional thing or what, but have any of you ever gone a to a church that had an armed security guard?

Yes, but you may not always be able to tell. When you have a church the size of this one, it's almost a certainty. And, in keeping with how a lot of churches do everything, it's a volunteer (ie, service, serving opportunity).

I read somewhere that she's normally responsible for a/all? pastors when they're actually preaching. I'll see if I can find that link.
 
Fox is waiting for a press conference by the Female defender.

And waiting and waiting. Don't get to excited. I think security guard may have been the best they could label her as she is not LEO.
 
indeed it was a private CCW holder, not a "security guard"

Hmm, still not solid enough. He does not mention how he found out she's a civi with a CCW, and offers no other info on her. I will be interested to hear the real story of who this person is, and it appears at least, a CCW holder came to the rescue on this one.
 
Sorry to post this in multiple threads. Maybe need a consolidated one? But very useful information I believe:

A press release from the church is at: http://www.newlifechurch.org/db_images2/12-10-9am.pdf

Some quotes from it:



Question: Can you tell us more about your security person who shot the
gunman?
Yes. She she is highly trained, and is a volunteer member of our church and,
simply, her role is to provide security and she did her job yesterday and she is a
real hero. When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and
encountered the attacker in the hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our
building. There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably
saved over a hundred lives. He had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of
damage, and she rushed toward the attacker and took him down in the hallway.


Question: Was the security officer stationed where she normally would be
stationed?
I don't know where she is normally stationed--she is often near me, but takes
assignments wherever needed. She is a volunteer--this is a person that comes to
our church and is a worshiper here. We have two services--so she sits in one
service and worships, and then serves in the second service as security many
times.


Question: Was she an off-duty police officer?
No, but she does have law enforcement background.

Question: Was she uniformed?
No, she was plain-clothes.

Question: How large is the security team? Are they all armed?
I don't know the exact number we have on the team--approximately fifteen or
twenty. The only ones that are armed are the ones licensed to be carry weapons.
We follow the law very carefully and we follow strict guidelines, because there is
obviously a lot of legality involved. We have to have a security team that large
because of the size of our church--we have 300,000 square feet of buildings and
there are people on our campus all the time. So we have to have a provide security
for that size building.

Question: Was the gun used her weapon or the church's weapon?
No, we don't own weapons. It was her personal weapon that she was licensed to
carry.
 
Great find there, thanx.

"Yes. She she is highly trained, "

My BS meter is going off again. Perhaps I am wrong, but I am not buying it. I hope we learn of her full LEO training and background and what she does for a living now. :scrutiny:
 
yep ... just got over.

Was rather interesting ... the security lady spoke.

I don't know if FoxNews archives these things very quickly, but I expect it will be posted at some point.
 
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