300,000 M-14s destined for trash pile
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Nightcrawler
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I doubt it costs Springfield Armory $1300 to build an M1A, with modern manufacturing techniques. A little competition would drive down the prices, and would cause them to up their quality. There'd still be a market for them for customizing, carbines, match rifles, etc.
I doubt this petition will do much good, but it's certainly worth a shot. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSCRITTERS!
If nothing else, they should simply torch-cut the receivers and sell the rifles as parts kits. Wouldn't be as profitable as selling the complete rifles, but imagine all the nice, like new GI parts there'd be out there for upgrading M1As!
If I was in charge of the federal government, all surplus military arms would be sold to qualified individuals who demonstrate proficiency though the Civilian Marksmanship Program. $450 for a used M16A1. $550 for an M16A2. Maybe $700 for an M14. $2500 for an M60. $400 for an M9 Beretta.
Imagine the cash the military could rake in. All of that money would go towards a massive DoD reloading plant, where they would use spent brass from military ranges and reload ammunition, thus cutting the costs of military live-fire training (which soldiers can NEVER have too much of) and allowing for more training ammunition to be available.
Ahh, to dream...
I doubt this petition will do much good, but it's certainly worth a shot. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSCRITTERS!
If nothing else, they should simply torch-cut the receivers and sell the rifles as parts kits. Wouldn't be as profitable as selling the complete rifles, but imagine all the nice, like new GI parts there'd be out there for upgrading M1As!
If I was in charge of the federal government, all surplus military arms would be sold to qualified individuals who demonstrate proficiency though the Civilian Marksmanship Program. $450 for a used M16A1. $550 for an M16A2. Maybe $700 for an M14. $2500 for an M60. $400 for an M9 Beretta.
Imagine the cash the military could rake in. All of that money would go towards a massive DoD reloading plant, where they would use spent brass from military ranges and reload ammunition, thus cutting the costs of military live-fire training (which soldiers can NEVER have too much of) and allowing for more training ammunition to be available.
Ahh, to dream...
alan
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I siugned and e-mailed the originator of the petition. Raise all manner of hell with the congress and senate.
Bill St. Calir and JPM70535:
Original M-14's had selective fire capability, but were uncontrollable in full automaitc mode. They were subsequently modified by the government, external parts were removed, internal parts removed or swapped, and as I recall, 7 welds made. I very much doubt that any of these converted M-14, are "readilly restorable" to original condition, selective fire capability.
Given that I personally don't shoot rifles anymore, I doubt that I'd buy one, however public monies and property should not be tossed down then drain, as is being done with the destruction of m-14 rifles anfd other small armes, including M-1's then were run through "Captain Crunch".
Bill St. Calir and JPM70535:
Original M-14's had selective fire capability, but were uncontrollable in full automaitc mode. They were subsequently modified by the government, external parts were removed, internal parts removed or swapped, and as I recall, 7 welds made. I very much doubt that any of these converted M-14, are "readilly restorable" to original condition, selective fire capability.
Given that I personally don't shoot rifles anymore, I doubt that I'd buy one, however public monies and property should not be tossed down then drain, as is being done with the destruction of m-14 rifles anfd other small armes, including M-1's then were run through "Captain Crunch".
lazarus
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Of course this would work quite well. Look at the Garands that are sold through the DCM....and folks are snappin' them up like crazy! A real honest-to-god M14 from the "Gubment?" Bear in mind, fellas....these are FORGED receivers and are worth their weight in gold. Sproingfield Armoury sells the M1A's for over a grand....and they're cast! These things are highly desirable to us semi-auto shooters. Right now, the only forged receivers available are the Chicom units.....Norinco and Polytech...decent, but soft bolts and lousy stocks. New, they get $700-800 plus. Dunno about you, but I'd pay a grand for a pre-ban M14!
45R
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That is so wrong!!!
Wade
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mormonsniper
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One for me and one for my daughter (USN, Operation Iraqi Freedom) and one for my grandson of 2 weeks.
One for me and one for my daughter (USN, Operation Iraqi Freedom) and one for my grandson of 2 weeks.
Moparmike
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Just one more example of excessive government waste...
Great rifle, or so I have heard. We as taxpayers need to be able to recoop and see the benifits of our money.
Just one more example of excessive government waste...
Great rifle, or so I have heard. We as taxpayers need to be able to recoop and see the benifits of our money.
George Hill
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8615.
I'll buy several.
I'll buy several.
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TexasVet
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Feanaro
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Signed, 8700. I can't afford one but I see no reason to waste such fine weapons.
It's hard to believe there is over 8,600 signatures on the petition. That's about a thousand or more signatures since I signed it after posting this thread here. My signature is in the low 7,600 range. The current numbers say a lot.
Malone LaVeigh
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It doesn't seem to me that this would be too much to ask of a "gun friendly" administration. We shouldn't have to go to Congress for this. The executive branch is in charge of defense.
LiquidTension
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33080
300,000 M-14s destined
for trash pile
Petition calls on Congress instead to sell guns to help pay for Iraq war
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Posted: June 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
A petition drive is underway to convince lawmakers to "civilianize" hundreds of thousands of M-14 military battle rifles so they can be legally sold by the government to the general public as a way to pay for the Iraq war.
According to the online petition, "there is a strong demand for an M-14 DCM [Director of Civilian Marksmanship] program, which will curb government waste by providing up to $300-600 million [for] deficit reduction."
"With uncertainty of the price tag of the current war, this will help pay for freedoms we enjoy in this country," says the petition. "With the looming war deficit, our government should not throw away hundreds of millions of dollars by destroying M-14 rifles – some of which are brand new."
The petition, which is being spearheaded by Robert A. Yoder, says as many as 300,000 rifles could wind up in the scrap heap without the government getting any return on its investment.
The DCM program to save the M-14s could work like a similar program involving another venerable military workhorse, the M-1 (Garand) and M-1 carbine series of military rifles.
The DCM sold those through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a course that promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program also offers for sale AR-15-type match rifles, M1917 Enfields, M1903 bolt-action rifles (a former U.S. military weapon) and .22-caliber target rifles at subsidized rates.
"The U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, M-14 was the first rifle the U. S. fielded that improved upon the highly regarded U. S. Rifle, Caliber.30, M1 (Garand) and attempted to give U. S. Forces a NATO-standardized weapon," says the online petition. "The M-14 came into active service around 1957 and remained the standard infantry weapon until the official adoption of the M-16 rifle in the late 1960s.
"Like its predecessor, the M-14 is now relegated to ship's arms rooms, ROTC detachments, storage bins in government arsenals and, of late, the demilitarized scrap pile," says the petition.
300,000 M-14s destined
for trash pile
Petition calls on Congress instead to sell guns to help pay for Iraq war
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Posted: June 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
A petition drive is underway to convince lawmakers to "civilianize" hundreds of thousands of M-14 military battle rifles so they can be legally sold by the government to the general public as a way to pay for the Iraq war.
According to the online petition, "there is a strong demand for an M-14 DCM [Director of Civilian Marksmanship] program, which will curb government waste by providing up to $300-600 million [for] deficit reduction."
"With uncertainty of the price tag of the current war, this will help pay for freedoms we enjoy in this country," says the petition. "With the looming war deficit, our government should not throw away hundreds of millions of dollars by destroying M-14 rifles – some of which are brand new."
The petition, which is being spearheaded by Robert A. Yoder, says as many as 300,000 rifles could wind up in the scrap heap without the government getting any return on its investment.
The DCM program to save the M-14s could work like a similar program involving another venerable military workhorse, the M-1 (Garand) and M-1 carbine series of military rifles.
The DCM sold those through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a course that promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program also offers for sale AR-15-type match rifles, M1917 Enfields, M1903 bolt-action rifles (a former U.S. military weapon) and .22-caliber target rifles at subsidized rates.
"The U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, M-14 was the first rifle the U. S. fielded that improved upon the highly regarded U. S. Rifle, Caliber.30, M1 (Garand) and attempted to give U. S. Forces a NATO-standardized weapon," says the online petition. "The M-14 came into active service around 1957 and remained the standard infantry weapon until the official adoption of the M-16 rifle in the late 1960s.
"Like its predecessor, the M-14 is now relegated to ship's arms rooms, ROTC detachments, storage bins in government arsenals and, of late, the demilitarized scrap pile," says the petition.
axeman_g
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Devonai
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9076 here.
This is sad, really. Apparently Our Gubmint would rather destroy a few hundred thousand guns, which could be sold at around 500-1000 bucks each, than make some money by selling them to the public.
Then again, they ARE semiautomatic assault machine gun armor-piercing antiaircraft weapons, and the number one choice of criminals and terrorists..
This is sad, really. Apparently Our Gubmint would rather destroy a few hundred thousand guns, which could be sold at around 500-1000 bucks each, than make some money by selling them to the public.
Then again, they ARE semiautomatic assault machine gun armor-piercing antiaircraft weapons, and the number one choice of criminals and terrorists..
Horny Toad
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bogie
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Idea: Call the congresscritters, and ask 'em to "amnesty" a quantity of 'em for sale as Class III firearms - That way, they don't have to spend the 15 minutes per, and instead of $1,000/rifle, they can sell 'em for several times that...
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