300,000 M-14s destined for trash pile

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I was #9369 as of June 16, 2003.
Sould be run just like the Civilian Marksmanship Program does with the M1 Garand.
 
Concerning the machinegun issue, I'm assuming that they were made before 1986 so even if the ATF pretends they're still machineguns is there still any obstacle to selling them?
 
Here are a few messages posted to an email group I'm on.
I "signed" that petition, too, but I suspect these guys are correct, and it's a non-issue.
(Names of authors and group, etc., deleted to preseve their privacvy.)
> Read the article with a critical eye and you'll find that this whole
> campaign is half-baked. CMP is no longer a military program, it's a
> corporation and it's profits stay in house to promote shooting
> sports.
> I'm not sure how the CMP acquires rifles, but I expect that they don't
> BUY them from the military, but rather receive obsolete equipment for
> disposition.
> So how does the money get to the government? It doesn't. So
> discussions about opening up a revenue stream are garbage. Additionally, the
> idea of the government passing M14's (no matter what their modifications) is
> going to enrage the Feinsteins and Schumers and they will put the measure
> through incredible hurdles before it can actually go through. So before the
> thing even passes, millions upon millions of dollars will have been spent to
> legislate and litigate the program, test to ensure that modified rifles
> cannot be quickly restored to full-auto capability, etc. Frankly, the
> idea of such a project returning much of any revenue to the Federal coffers
> is laughable.
>
> I'd love to see surplus M14's released to civilian shooters rather than
> wasted, but trying to justify it this way does NOT improve our (gun
> owners) credibility as responsible, intelligent, and honest people. This
> proposal is irresponsibly researched, poorly thought out, and intellectually
> dishonest. In fact, it is blatantly political, and thus utterly discountable.
>
> Sorry to be so critical of this, but supporting garbage does us no good
> as a group.
>
Reply:
> This "petition" originated about ten years ago, pre-CMP. Fred's would
> send out the "campaign" with your shipping documents when you purchased
> from them.
>
> The CMP does not pay for their rifles pre se, but they do pay a hefty
> "handling charge." The monies are used to support marksmanship of many
> kinds, & gun ownership thereby.
>
> Few M14s remain in inventory. Besides the destruction program initiated
> by the Clinton administration, the Gov't has given tens of thousands of
> M14s to our allies such as Lithuania and Kosovo. There is a looming
> shortage of M14s for the new roles envisioned for 7.62-MM rifles, which
> is why new 7.62-MM rifles will be under development.
(Later post by same author; many of you would recognize his name...)
>This is an inadvertent hoax. The "petition," as I earlier averred,
>dates from the early- to mid-'90's, when the Clinton Administration
>didn't see a gun it didn't want to shred. The premise is ten or more
>years out of date.
>
>The guy that was in charge of the shredder is a friend of mine.
>
>The guy searching the world for M14s for Special Operations is also a
>friend of mine.
>
>Thus, I'm confident in my facts.
>
>Trust me, no M14s are being destroyed by our Gov't save by wear & tear &
>wastage in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. Believe me, when I say there
>is no chance in H*ll that the few that remain in US inventory will be
>released to *anyone*.
 
Well, I posted it in the OTHER "300,000 M-14s' thread, I guess I'll post it here, too...
> Read the article with a critical eye and you'll find that this whole
> campaign is half-baked. CMP is no longer a military program, it's a
> corporation and it's profits stay in house to promote shooting
> sports.
> I'm not sure how the CMP acquires rifles, but I expect that they don't
> BUY them from the military, but rather receive obsolete equipment for
> disposition.
> So how does the money get to the government? It doesn't. So
> discussions about opening up a revenue stream are garbage. Additionally, the
> idea of the government passing M14's (no matter what their modifications) is
> going to enrage the Feinsteins and Schumers and they will put the measure
> through incredible hurdles before it can actually go through. So before the
> thing even passes, millions upon millions of dollars will have been spent to
> legislate and litigate the program, test to ensure that modified rifles
> cannot be quickly restored to full-auto capability, etc. Frankly, the
> idea of such a project returning much of any revenue to the Federal coffers
> is laughable.
>
> I'd love to see surplus M14's released to civilian shooters rather than
> wasted, but trying to justify it this way does NOT improve our (gun
> owners) credibility as responsible, intelligent, and honest people. This
> proposal is irresponsibly researched, poorly thought out, and intellectually
> dishonest. In fact, it is blatantly political, and thus utterly discountable.
>
> Sorry to be so critical of this, but supporting garbage does us no good
> as a group.
>
Reply:
> This "petition" originated about ten years ago, pre-CMP. Fred's would
> send out the "campaign" with your shipping documents when you purchased
> from them.
>
> The CMP does not pay for their rifles pre se, but they do pay a hefty
> "handling charge." The monies are used to support marksmanship of many
> kinds, & gun ownership thereby.
>
> Few M14s remain in inventory. Besides the destruction program initiated
> by the Clinton administration, the Gov't has given tens of thousands of
> M14s to our allies such as Lithuania and Kosovo. There is a looming
> shortage of M14s for the new roles envisioned for 7.62-MM rifles, which
> is why new 7.62-MM rifles will be under development.
(Later by same author)
>This is an inadvertent hoax. The "petition," as I earlier averred,
>dates from the early- to mid-'90's, when the Clinton Administration
>didn't see a gun it didn't want to shred. The premise is ten or more
>years out of date.
>
>The guy that was in charge of the shredder is a friend of mine.
>
>The guy searching the world for M14s for Special Operations is also a
>friend of mine.
>
>Thus, I'm confident in my facts.
>
>Trust me, no M14s are being destroyed by our Gov't save by wear & tear &
>wastage in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. Believe me, when I say there
>is no chance in H*ll that the few that remain in US inventory will be
>released to *anyone*.
 
I signed. BTW, I'll have to make room in the safe if I can get one but that's the least of my problems right now. :D
 
well drang i hope there is a lot of truth to your findings cuz if not i further bolsters the fact that the Govt does nothing to prevent fraud waste an abuse short of hiring a bunch of CID agents
 
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I don't see why they want to destroy valuable guns that could be reused. Waste not, want not.
 
Originally posted by S_O_Laban
has this been passed on to other boards?

Yep. I posted this on two other boards. If you belong to a board where this is not posted, then go ahead and spread the word.
 
I've told everyone I know who cares about this, but I don't think we'll gain anyone's interest unless we get up to 300,000 signatures... one for each of the rifles.
 
Well, with jimpeel's number (at only $100 each), we're over one million. Maybe some bean counter will realize that a million's a million and only 199 more and they can buy another plane or so.:rolleyes:

Anyway - it's a start.

-Andy
.
 
Signed it.

If Bush lets this happen, he is not doing the job we expect of him. I hope he doesn't fall asleep on us again!

Come on Bush! Just do ONE positive thing for us gun owners! I thought you were supposed to be on our side?
 
I would buy at LEAST two of these because they are in .308. The 30.06 is not as cheep on ammo.

Are M-14s C&R guns?
 
There is a claim there that DCM M1's are being sold for $100 to qualified buyers, that's a lie.

Anyone else catch that?
 
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