Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by wgp, May 18, 2016.
My wife has gone from .22 to .32 to .380 to .45, and her pistol of choice is a Ruger SR1911 Commander in .45.
Maybe bigger is better...
I'm small framed -5/7 and 145 pounds so it has always been more difficult to conceal a 1911 than my Glock 19. So I usually carry the Glock while the 1911 is relegated to nightstand duty.
But 45's and 1911s are alive and well. I think your observation is due to tremendous variety in the market.
I like the slim profile of the 1911, the single action trigger, the reliability and the .45ACP in a Gold Dot 230gr load.
What's there not to like?
There have been more NEW 1911 Model .45acp handguns introduced, in the last five years, than in the prior 50 years. The 1911 .45acp is alive and well and will be, long after many of the new rocket science calibers are gone. It has always done the job and done it very well! You really don't need all these magic bullets they have come up with, for a .45acp!
But also the fact that the difference in real-world effect on the human body between modern 9mm, .40SW, and .45ACP defensive loadings is almost indistinguishable, and more people than ever understand this now. Thus, the increased preference for the less expensive, lighter-recoiling, and greater capacity offered by 9mm.
Given the current terrorism situation and my proximity to this summer's Republican National Convention, I felt uncomfortable with the S&W Model 36 I was carrying. I felt comfortable with my Glock 19, but apart from the Smith I ONLY carry IWB. The Citadel is MUCH more comfortable when carried that way.
I'm actually carrying the Glock right now while I make a holster for the Citadel. When that's done, I'll be switching.
Most folks who arent gun collectors and enthusiasts like short barrel compact 9mm. I see many ethusiasts though running from .357sig and .40s&w back to 9mm. Don't know the stats just stating what i see.
How bout a 2.5 lb pistol with 8 shots?
The 1911 is an American icon and not going anywhere soon, but I think perception of the pistol and its cartridge is changing. The average top of the line defensive .45 load creates a wound with a volume of about 15% greater capacity than a similar 9mm load and for this 15% you have to give up over 40% of your capacity as well as increasing your pistol's size and weight by a similar 40%. The cost of not only the pistol, but the ammunition increases as well going from something like my G19 to a 1911. And for what? During a firefight, your fine motor coordination goes to crap. You're not going to appreciate that tuned match trigger on your 1911. You might appreciate going round for round and having 8 of them left in your Glock when the sucker downrange from you is reloading his 1911...
Buuut, now I carry Tupperware and normally in 9mm for a couple reasons.
Every study I've ever read leads me to believe that there's no such thing as a guaranteed 1 round stop handgun cartridge. Since the odds are I will probably have to hit an aggressor more than once, I might as well carry the cartridge/pistol combination that allows me to do it as accurately and as quickly as possible, so for me that's a 9mm. Throw in some weak handed firing drills, and the 9mm starts to make even more sense. As good as I get with a .45ACP, I can get "gooder" with a 9mm.
I also get greater capacity in a smaller lighter package by easing away from the 1911 and .45ACP. In some pistols I roughly double my capacity and still carry less weight.
Finally, I reload, and I can reload 9mm cheaper than .45ACP, not a huge difference, but at 20-25,000 rds a year it adds up. Last class I took (APR/MAY) was a little over 900 rds, even with reloading the difference between .45 bullets and 9mm adds up. Don't know how the non-reloaders do it. There were a couple 1911s in the class, and they were in the minority.
So I've still got 4 .45ACPs (3 1911's and an HK45T), I enjoy shooting them, but I find myself carrying something else now.
Today was 45 day.
The "volume" of a .45 wound is not +15% greater than a similar .355 wound. Volume is a product of area x length.
The area disrupted by a .452 diameter projectile is not +15% greater than that of a .355 diameter one. It's about 60% greater than the area disrupted by a .355 diameter projectile.
Area= pi x radius^2. (pi x radius squared)
Pi x .452/2^2=.1605 in^2.
Pi x .355/2^2=.0990 in^2.
61% (=/-). Multiply this by the length of the wound channel and no bonus for anything beyond exit of the projectile past the body in question to get "volume".
This is High School math, or what passed for it 50 years ago. (I don't know what they are teaching for math these days.)
And that's just for fmj. The number can be larger.
Being in California and living with 10-round magazines changes the dynamics of the decisions somewhat, but I attempt to carry a gun as much as possible - and to carry enough gun when I carry.
That's not correct. What that's showing is that .0990 = 61% of .1605.
So, what that really means is that .1605 is 39% larger than .0990.
For .1605 to be 61% larger, the other number would have to be .06259 (39% of .1605).
You subtract 61% from 100% to find out the difference. 100 - 61 = 39, or 39%.
To make it easier to understand, let's simply compare the outer diameter of bullets. A 9mm is .355 and a .45 is .451.
If I divide .355 by .451, I get .787 (.355 / .451 = .787). That means that the 9mm bullet is 78.7% of the diameter of the .45 and NOT that the .45 is 78.7% larger than the 9mm.
To find out how much larger (in percentage) I take 78.7 and subtract that from 100. 100 - 78.7 = 21.3.
So, a .45 caliber bullet diameter is 21.3% larger than a 9mm bullet diameter.
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