45 Cowboy load's

[Oldfalguy]

Gentlemen,

I need a little advice/opinion from the collective hive-

Which Cowboy load works or been tried by ya'll

Buffalo Arms has a brand named Ultramax-
It comes in 180 & 230gr 45 Schofield and a 200 & 250gr 45 Long Colt

I am looking for a nice soft recoil load for use in my Krist converted Uberti 1860, 1858 & ROA.

 

[BHP FAN]

Ultramax is very soft shooting,high quality ammo,loaded down for Cowboy action shooting,and back when I had a pair of Pietta Remingtons with R&D cylinders,that's all I shot in them.I got mine from Sportsmans Guide cheap.Now I ''roll my own''.

 

[ClemBert]

Yeah, I'm happy to be in a position to roll my own BP 45 Colt loads. Dang, the factory stuff is too expensive for my cheap arse.

 

[Oldfalguy]

While rolling my own is a valid alternative I doubt I will get to shoot that much and I can't really tell you why I don't make time for it. i intend to buy several hundred rounds and should i decide to start shooting and reloading again at leat then I will have plenty of brass
But would ya'll shoot long colt or Schofield?? light or heavy bullets?
Seems the lighter 180 in the schofield would be the least recoil and the 250 45LC the most of those being offered by Ultramx

 

[SDiver40]

The lighter recoil will come from the lighter bullet. I had my .44 bullets poured at 117gr. using around 5.7 grs of trail boss powder. Not sure about the powder weight but thats close with out going to look.

 

[Oldfalguy]

Thanks Sdiver that is what i thought given what Sir Isaac Newton stated.
I am thinking about kinda splitting the difference and getting the 200gr 45LC-
My sole rationale is to avoid probable galling of the cylinders- like when one fires a lot of 38 specials do in a 357's

 

[oneiron]

The best round I have shot in my 58 Remington R&D conversion is 45 Schofield case charged with 6.1 grs Unique and Black Dawge Bullet 235 gr. No recoil just a sweet shooting round.

 

[Oldfalguy]

Oneiron
I have no data to compare your loads to the Ultramax loads save for slightly larger bullets of 235gr which is larger than the 180 -230 gr of either a Schofield or 45LC. THink I will try to buy severlboxes of the light LC and geive them a

 

[StrawHat]

My sole rationale is to avoid probable galling of the cylinders- like when one fires a lot of 38 specials do in a 357's

If you clean the cylinder after firing, there is no problem. The longer cartridge will enter and extract from a clean cylinder just fine.

 

[scrat]

I have no idea on store bought. I MAKE MY OWN

 

[Ginormous]

Presently twisting up a bunch of 45 LC's with 250 grain Speer SWC's and 252 gr Lee cast SWC's. Some are 35 gr FFFg Swiss BP, some are 10 gr IMR HS-6, some are 11 gr Alliant Blue Dot, and a few are even IMR 4227. All but the last are loaded to gentle pressure and velocity levels and are great to shoot, easy on the conversion cylinders, and kind to the Italian replica frames. The last are intended for a Ruger Blackhawk, as they are loaded to some pretty stout pressures. Linebaugh would be proud of these.

Taking the time to roll your own really cuts down the cost of shooting cartridges. If I wasn't reloading my own, the Magtech 255 gr LFP are about as cheap and easy shooting as anything else you're likely to find.

 

[Pulp]

It's kinda funny how different powders produce different "perceived" recoil. Titegroup is a great powder, but you load Titegroup and some other brand to produce the same velocity with the same bullet, and you'll swear the Titegroup is shooting harder.

Trailboss is a good powder for Cowboy style loads, but you need to stay close to the minimum to get consistent loads. If you start dropping below minimum velocities get very inconsistent. The hotter you load Trailboss the more consistent it gets.

As far as the factory stuff, I can't help much there. I do know that the maker R&D cylinders recommends Black Hills Cowboy loads for smokeless, and Black Dawg for BP factory loads. I think Black Dawg is out of business, unless someone else picked them up.

 

[Oldfalguy]

Went to the Black Hills site and it appears both the Schofield and Long Colt run out the pipe at the same speed but the LC has a bit heavier bullet. I could not see a price on the site??

 

[Das Jaeger]

Expensive

good ammo , but spendy .

Jaeger

 

[scrat]

ehhhh i like mine better

 

[Das Jaeger]

I like yours better too

send some today , free .

Jaeger

 

[Ratdog68]

send some today , free . :d

jaeger

lmao !!!!

 

[scrat]

Left Remington Factory left 3 right two sets mine. 2nd pic left barely shown factory remington
mine center and right

 

[Das Jaeger]

God I love clean

work ! I also love the Meplat on the Bear Killers you gots there, nice .

Jaeger

 

[Ratdog68]

Purdy stuffs there scrat !!!

 

[higene]

44 Special

Scrat,

While we're in the neighborhood. Do you load BP cartridges (cartridges with BP)? I have put up a dozen BPs in 44 Special. I got the load data from some other site. I just measured 28 gr Goex (by Weight) and loaded the cartridges. Should I be using drop tubes or any other exotic methods. From what I could glean from the other thread, a mostly full case and slight compression were the important variables.

Higene

 

[Ginormous]

higene, Wiljen's free and open source "Reloaders' Reference" software is a great resource for smokeless and black powder cartridge loads:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/reloadersrfrnce/files/

It has all of these goodies included and a must have for any reloader:

Posted By: wiljen
Date: 2008-03-20 14:26
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This is the final release for the foreseeable future. The package is now split into Manuals, Targets, and the main program to make downloading the pieces ala carte simple.

The Program now includes:

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[higene]

SourceForce

Ginormous

Thanks

Higene

 

[higene]

BP cartridge loads

I went to the range today to work with a 44 and a few others. I rolled some homegrown BP to test in my FA (28 gr Pyrodex by Weight & 240 SWC).

It was interesting. With the BP I shot two, made a sight adjustment, and shot two more. Next I made 2 runs with Sketer Skelton Specials (7.5 Unique and 240 SWC). Last I ran 5 store bought HSM bullets ($28 for 50 before the first of the year ).

Skeeter smiled on me from above. That is one sweet and powerful middleweight. Store bought $$ spcls are about $45 a box and not as accurate. They are not exactly punky but the size of the gun is about the same size as a Ruger 357 Black Hawk. The BP shows the potential to be real accurate especially if someone wanted to spend some time in load development.

At the range they have a chronograph set up and I chronographed the rounds. The store bought ones were 687 fps, the BP was 809 fps, and the Skeeter Skeltons were 1019 fps. The real interesting part of the session was that the 44 BPs were by far the snortiest! Considerable snort and the smoke is neat too.

The only problem is that the BP (Pyrodex P) is real dirty. The FA has such tight specs that I could feel it tightening up after 2 shots. You have to take soapy water in a jar and put the brass in it right away or else it fouls the BP brass and any other that it touches. So that is an issue.

Next I am going to work up some .38 and 357 BP loads for the Ruger. I hope the looser tolerances work for me there.

All in all BP cartridges are a rip if you can put up with the mess.

Higene