Dgreno
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Which would you prefer for edc/ccw and self defense and why? Specifically, A Glock 30 or 29...
.45 or 10mm?
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10-Ring
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As a caliber, I really enjoy shooting both. In a more practical sense, I prefer the 45 acp because of the versatility of the commercial rounds that are available at a (still) reasonable price. 10mm is just tough to find & when you do, it costs an arm, a leg & a neck 
IMHO:
10mm
You can get a .40 barrel for inexpensive practice with the 10mm, and then load full house 10mm for carry. Of course, you'll want to occasionally practice with your carry load, for sighting the weapon, and to be familiar with the handling.
10mm
You can get a .40 barrel for inexpensive practice with the 10mm, and then load full house 10mm for carry. Of course, you'll want to occasionally practice with your carry load, for sighting the weapon, and to be familiar with the handling.
boalex207
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I say .45. Bigger bullet and better availability of ammunition.
Youngster
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I'd go with 10mm, it's that much more powerful and versatile. The .45's a solid cartridge but if I'm going to carry a big bore I want something with a powder charge behind it that's significantly bigger than a typical 9mm load. 
6Covered
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I carry both. If I HAD to choose between the two, I go with the 10mm. I like the 45 and shoot them a bunch. But the 10 has more versatility. You can get anything from 135gr up to 220gr and more.
Most any gunshop I visit has at least Silvertips or cheapo Federals in 10s. If your serious about having a 10, then you'll visit Mike at Double Tap. He's got most anything you'd need in a 10mm round.
I have S&W 1006 and 1066. I also have a G29 that is carried a bunch. You won't go wrong with a 29.
Just my worhtless opinion.
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Most any gunshop I visit has at least Silvertips or cheapo Federals in 10s. If your serious about having a 10, then you'll visit Mike at Double Tap. He's got most anything you'd need in a 10mm round.
I have S&W 1006 and 1066. I also have a G29 that is carried a bunch. You won't go wrong with a 29.
Just my worhtless opinion.
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gudel
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some say 10 has more power, but I can't buy this anywhere.
I'd go with the better availability of ammunition. ten is dead
never seen any new 10mm guns for sale other than glock 20. they should name this cartridge as 10mm Glock.
I'd go with the better availability of ammunition. ten is dead
never seen any new 10mm guns for sale other than glock 20. they should name this cartridge as 10mm Glock.
10X
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The 45 is more accurate and is better for fast followup shots.
This comes from one that likes both calibers.
This comes from one that likes both calibers.
weisse52
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Agreed
Some may disagree, but look at sales for both and tell me the 10mm is not just hanging on. GREAT round, but when the FBI dropped it that was the end.
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I really do not think the 45 is more accurate than the 10mm.
aside from be 45 caliber the 10 can do everything the 45 can and often better. hell the 10mm has more energy at 100yds than the 45 has at the muzzle, and more momentum in similar loadings, and higher capacity.
With the internet local availability is pointless as I could have as much of whatever type of ammo i want delivered to my house overnight if need be.
mpmarty
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The only 10mm is a Glock?? Where do you hide out? Tangfolio, Dan Wesson, Smith & Wesson revolver, Kimber, soon RIA, and more. The 10mm is actually made in more different pistols now than it ever has been. It's just the cool aid drinkers who cant see the forest for the trees.
ak-kev
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Id say .45 because it has proven itself in real shootings against people. I've read that the 10mm is roughly equivalent to the .41 magnum. Both the 10 and the .41 can shoot lengthways through a hog. I would go out on a limb and the 10mm is a little too powerful for self-defense situations where over-penatration is a concern. Just my .2 cents. On the other hand, what are Delta Elite's going for nowadays
CountGlockula
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A Glock 20 in 10mm. You'll get further trajectory with a 10mm.
Harley Quinn
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If only allowed one I'd go with the 10mm
Big Boomer
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Well it hasn't been said yet, and every 10mm thread must have a post about this so how about the 45 Super?
Although not available on the shelves in most places, if you reload it's easy. Also I have to say that EVERYONE here has a computer and with a few clicks you can order just about anything you want to your front doorstep.
With a few minor parts change like an EGW flatbottom firing pin stop and a 23-25# mainspring, extra power firing pin spring, 18-24# recoil spring, you can have large variation of ammo. 45, 45+p, 45 Super, and target loads are available just about anywhere with a few changes to the recoil spring for the proper load.
Don't give me the crap about proper cycling for all ammo, you wouldn't expect a .40 S&W to cycle with the same setup as a 10mm now would you? You would have to change the barrel and recoil springs too.
If you reload either is an option. I don't yet have a 10mm, have considered it, might still consider it in the future. I find that with premium ammo the choice is kinda moot point.
And if you want to pit one auto against another then my 460 Rowland kicks the crap out of the 10mm
Here are some specs from buffalo bore's site.
10mm
180 gr. Speer Uni Core - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft.lbs.)
200 gr. F.M.J. - F.N. (1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.)
45 Super
185 gr. JHP @1300 fps (694 ft. lbs.)
200 gr. JHP @ 1200 fps (639 ft. lbs.)
230 gr. JHP @1100 fps (618 ft. lbs.)
45ACP +P
185 gr. JHP @ 1150 fps (543 ft. lbs.)
200 gr. JHP @ 1050 fps (490 ft. lbs.)
230 gr. JHP @ 950 fps (461 ft. lbs.)
and my favorite...the 460 Rowland
185 gr. JHP @ 1521 fps (951 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
200 gr. JHP @ 1483 fps (977 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
230 gr. JHP @ 1333 fps (908 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
260 gr. JHP @ 1148 fps (761 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
Not only is there the ability for heavier loads but the 45 ACP can also be found with grain weights as low as 110 from aguila.
The 45 is just diverse. Now if you want to get into the gritty, the 45 makes a slightly bigger hole, shorter case for smaller grip size (barely) but I can't get my hand comfortably around the glock. Lower pressure, lower recoil, extended gun life (ya I know you can argue both ways).
Higher capacity? Well that would depend on what mag you were using and gun. My XD-45 has 14rd capacity so?
Let's not forget that faster lighter bullets tend NOT to penetrate as much. I kinda prefer a bit of penetration IMHO. Now don't get me wrong I don't run around with FMJ's all the time either...Heavier bullets break bones better and stay on course. If you have to bust through the breast plate (sternum) to get to the goodies a heavier bullet will accomplish the job better (in any caliber)
If you notice that the 200 grain loads for 45 Super and the 10mm are EXACTLY the same.
And I might add that unless you are packing a 460 S&W mag that handgun velocities will not give that devastating soft tissue damage like a rifle.
The ballistics are very close to the same, I haven't heard of anyone complain about 50 fpe either way.
I would also like to throw in that (correct me if I am wrong) but I have not seen any 3inch 10mm? No micro compacts, nada. So if you are talking about variation in the firearm as well I would once again choose the 45. Not that I own any SB 45's just that many, many prefer them, especially for carry options. If you want the 10mm for hunting great!~I'll stick to my wheel guns with the big boom for that.
This is just yet another variation of the big and slow vs the small and fast. But truth be told there are too many variables to consider, gender, age, pistol size, group size, engagement (like the argument about more energy at 100 yards, BFD unless you plan on hunting with it, I will not be engaging anyone at 100+ yards with my pistol thank you), recoil, follow up shots, ammo cost, magazines, level of shooter ability, and many, many more variables.
Given all these I would have to say that with any given variations of the above MORE matches would fall into the 45 category than the 10mm.
That being said...if you want to sell your 10mm cheap let me know (no glocks)
Although not available on the shelves in most places, if you reload it's easy. Also I have to say that EVERYONE here has a computer and with a few clicks you can order just about anything you want to your front doorstep.
With a few minor parts change like an EGW flatbottom firing pin stop and a 23-25# mainspring, extra power firing pin spring, 18-24# recoil spring, you can have large variation of ammo. 45, 45+p, 45 Super, and target loads are available just about anywhere with a few changes to the recoil spring for the proper load.
Don't give me the crap about proper cycling for all ammo, you wouldn't expect a .40 S&W to cycle with the same setup as a 10mm now would you? You would have to change the barrel and recoil springs too.
If you reload either is an option. I don't yet have a 10mm, have considered it, might still consider it in the future. I find that with premium ammo the choice is kinda moot point.
And if you want to pit one auto against another then my 460 Rowland kicks the crap out of the 10mm
Here are some specs from buffalo bore's site.
10mm
180 gr. Speer Uni Core - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft.lbs.)
200 gr. F.M.J. - F.N. (1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.)
45 Super
185 gr. JHP @1300 fps (694 ft. lbs.)
200 gr. JHP @ 1200 fps (639 ft. lbs.)
230 gr. JHP @1100 fps (618 ft. lbs.)
45ACP +P
185 gr. JHP @ 1150 fps (543 ft. lbs.)
200 gr. JHP @ 1050 fps (490 ft. lbs.)
230 gr. JHP @ 950 fps (461 ft. lbs.)
and my favorite...the 460 Rowland
185 gr. JHP @ 1521 fps (951 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
200 gr. JHP @ 1483 fps (977 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
230 gr. JHP @ 1333 fps (908 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
260 gr. JHP @ 1148 fps (761 ft. lbs.) OUCH!
Not only is there the ability for heavier loads but the 45 ACP can also be found with grain weights as low as 110 from aguila.
The 45 is just diverse. Now if you want to get into the gritty, the 45 makes a slightly bigger hole, shorter case for smaller grip size (barely) but I can't get my hand comfortably around the glock. Lower pressure, lower recoil, extended gun life (ya I know you can argue both ways).
Higher capacity? Well that would depend on what mag you were using and gun. My XD-45 has 14rd capacity so?
Let's not forget that faster lighter bullets tend NOT to penetrate as much. I kinda prefer a bit of penetration IMHO. Now don't get me wrong I don't run around with FMJ's all the time either...Heavier bullets break bones better and stay on course. If you have to bust through the breast plate (sternum) to get to the goodies a heavier bullet will accomplish the job better (in any caliber)
If you notice that the 200 grain loads for 45 Super and the 10mm are EXACTLY the same.
And I might add that unless you are packing a 460 S&W mag that handgun velocities will not give that devastating soft tissue damage like a rifle.
The ballistics are very close to the same, I haven't heard of anyone complain about 50 fpe either way.
I would also like to throw in that (correct me if I am wrong) but I have not seen any 3inch 10mm? No micro compacts, nada. So if you are talking about variation in the firearm as well I would once again choose the 45. Not that I own any SB 45's just that many, many prefer them, especially for carry options. If you want the 10mm for hunting great!~I'll stick to my wheel guns with the big boom for that.
This is just yet another variation of the big and slow vs the small and fast. But truth be told there are too many variables to consider, gender, age, pistol size, group size, engagement (like the argument about more energy at 100 yards, BFD unless you plan on hunting with it, I will not be engaging anyone at 100+ yards with my pistol thank you), recoil, follow up shots, ammo cost, magazines, level of shooter ability, and many, many more variables.
Given all these I would have to say that with any given variations of the above MORE matches would fall into the 45 category than the 10mm.
That being said...if you want to sell your 10mm cheap let me know (no glocks)
Buzztail
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I won't vote, because I carry both and do not feel under gunned with either. I carry the G20 more than the 1911's because I don't care if it gets a little beat up. If I still had a G20 ,and a 21 side by side, I would probably never really care what caliber I had on my hip.
I have never shot a 10mm cartridge, and i have no doubt they are much more powerful than a .45. But, when i was looking for my G30, i was well aware of the G29 and decided to go with a cartridge that i know has been around a long time, very available and easy to control. So i bought the G30 and am totally happy with it.
Carried a Glock 21, now carry a Glock 29. Both catridges are controllable and reliable so either one will work great. Online vendors solve the availability of ammo.
As an aside, no matter which platform you choose, give Double Tap a try(http://www.doubletapammo.com/)... they are the 10mm cartridge company, but also offer up some good loads in .45.
Why choose between the two? Get both.
As an aside, no matter which platform you choose, give Double Tap a try(http://www.doubletapammo.com/)... they are the 10mm cartridge company, but also offer up some good loads in .45.
Why choose between the two? Get both.
If you plan to reload, go the 10mm. If you plan to use factory-loads, go the .45 ACP.
I just purchased the G21-SF and am looking at the G20C now. If I do purchase it, I would do so as a hunting back-up piece. In that light, I would go purely with handloads.
I just purchased the G21-SF and am looking at the G20C now. If I do purchase it, I would do so as a hunting back-up piece. In that light, I would go purely with handloads.
Harley Quinn
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I have a g21 with a g20 barrel to go in, getting a new extractor that will work for both installed, was having some extraction problems with the 10mm the other day, so I looked at the extractor of the mdl 21 2nd edition, and it is lacking.
The recoil is similar, great accuracy from both the +p of the 45 is a heck of a round and so is the 10mm. I carry it in 45 with +p but if hunting I'd use the 6 " barrel I have for the 10mm. 25 yds in a good group 10 ring a couple in the 9 25 yd bulls eye target. No rest two hand hold.
The recoil is similar, great accuracy from both the +p of the 45 is a heck of a round and so is the 10mm. I carry it in 45 with +p but if hunting I'd use the 6 " barrel I have for the 10mm. 25 yds in a good group 10 ring a couple in the 9 25 yd bulls eye target. No rest two hand hold.
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