7.62x25 in a new gun? Would you buy it?
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Vern Humphrey
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The problem is not in chambering the cartridge, but in ejecting it. Having no rim, there's nothing for the ejector star to press against.
The classic solution to this is the half-moon clip, but there have been revolvers with spring-loaded ejectors -- although apparently they weren't as reliable as half-moon clips.
The classic solution to this is the half-moon clip, but there have been revolvers with spring-loaded ejectors -- although apparently they weren't as reliable as half-moon clips.
Ivy Mike
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well then I suppose its either up to gravity or moon clips.
Vern Humphrey
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Or poking out stuck cases with a rusty nail.
Ivy Mike
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and the rusty nail can double as a bayonet.
gtmerkley
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There where .45acp revolvers and they have no rim
Clipper
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...And they required moon clips or .45 Auto Rim cartridges to extract properly...
macadore
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I believe that S&W made a 9MM that did not require clips?
Jim Watson
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They did. Past tense. Used to. Technically interesting but unsuccessful in the market place. The only one I ever shot had a tough trigger pull due to the strong mainspring required to deliver a hard blow to depress the headspace plunger as well as the firing pin.
Ruger and Manhurin also tinkered with clipless 9mm extractors, but they did not pan out at all.
You may recall the multi caliber Medusa conversions and guns, later done up very nicely by Gary Reeder. Good subjects for magazine articles but they did not sell well enough to support the business.
Aaryq
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I'd prefer it in a carbine, but yes. If a pistol came out, I'd get it.
M249MachineGun
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I want to see a pistol in 7.62x25 that--
-takes PPSh-41 magazines (mag well directly in front of the trigger guard.
-has an aluminum alloy frame.
-fires from a closed bolt.
-has a 6" threaded barrel.
-fibre-optic sights standard.
-ambidextrous side charging handles and safety.
-underbarrel and top-mounted picatinny rails.
-takes AR-15 grips.
-has a carbine conversion kit readily available with a 16" barrel and an AR-15 stock adapter.
-comes with a single-point nylon sling.
-costs less than $600.
This would be one heavy pistol, and illegal in a few states already, but would be one heck of a home defense weapon with a 71-round drum and Streamlight TLR-1
-takes PPSh-41 magazines (mag well directly in front of the trigger guard.
-has an aluminum alloy frame.
-fires from a closed bolt.
-has a 6" threaded barrel.
-fibre-optic sights standard.
-ambidextrous side charging handles and safety.
-underbarrel and top-mounted picatinny rails.
-takes AR-15 grips.
-has a carbine conversion kit readily available with a 16" barrel and an AR-15 stock adapter.
-comes with a single-point nylon sling.
-costs less than $600.
This would be one heavy pistol, and illegal in a few states already, but would be one heck of a home defense weapon with a 71-round drum and Streamlight TLR-1
Vern Humphrey
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A 71-round drum magazine would be hard to fit in a holster.
Ivy Mike
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M249, you might be able to accomplish such a thing with an old Tec-9. It would take some doing, but I'm sure such a thing could be accomplished.
Maybe not the entire list of features you want but at least a few of them.
although I question it for home defense when there are better options available. In the longer carbine version, it would easily be outclassed by either a rifle caliber or a 12ga.
In pistol form, you're throwing a small, lightweight bullet with less force than a .45 or 10mm.
Maybe not the entire list of features you want but at least a few of them.
although I question it for home defense when there are better options available. In the longer carbine version, it would easily be outclassed by either a rifle caliber or a 12ga.
In pistol form, you're throwing a small, lightweight bullet with less force than a .45 or 10mm.
i just saw that guns.ru states:
this gun:
It should be noted that North Vietnamese once produced local copy of the MAT-49, chambered for 7.62mm TT round.
Actually a Scorpion or an Uzi, or a Tec9
or ....just google-stumbled on it - this:
--> Specs http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg101-e.htm
it seems, that is the answer already, eh?
Only that they made their own ammo,
but the 7.62 25 would have been good for that, too. (?)
this gun:
It should be noted that North Vietnamese once produced local copy of the MAT-49, chambered for 7.62mm TT round.
Actually a Scorpion or an Uzi, or a Tec9
or ....just google-stumbled on it - this:
--> Specs http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg101-e.htm
it seems, that is the answer already, eh?
Only that they made their own ammo,
but the 7.62 25 would have been good for that, too. (?)
Zach S
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That would be Marty. I think his first few were blowback operated, his current design is gas operated, using a pistol gas system.
I don't know how well the gas upper runs, last I heard a mag block was under development for PPSH magazines.
There's an eight to nine page thread about it in the rimfire/pistol cal section at arfcom. I used to read it and anxiously await him saying "Compelte uppers and magblocks available," however my desires have outran my finances so I dont keep up with it anymore.
TNT.45
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I would buy one just so my CZ-52 would have some company. The 7.62X25 is one wicked round. I like it right after the 10mm and .357sig...
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Now make it in .22 Reed Express, then you'd have something.....
http://shop.reedsammo.com/category....BE0A4BB828A9D0CA77.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=50
Now make it in .22 Reed Express, then you'd have something.....
http://shop.reedsammo.com/category....BE0A4BB828A9D0CA77.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=50
TimboKhan
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Short answer, no. Long answer, maybe. Basically it would boil down to platform, ammo cost, and a few other little things, but the biggest reason is that I simply don't need or have any desire to add to my handgun calibers that I keep stocked already. Not a particularly technical reason, but it's why I don't own a .40, a .357SIG or a 10mm.
To be fair, the only one that I am really interested in anyway is the .357SIG, but still, the point is valid.
To be fair, the only one that I am really interested in anyway is the .357SIG, but still, the point is valid.
I don't think I'd want it in a "normal" pistol configuration, like a 1911 or a Glock. If I could get one in a modernized version of the broomhandle, preferrably with a slightly longer barrel, I'd be on it like ugly on an ape.
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Vern Humphrey
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While fiddling around with another post, I found a revolver that is chambered for the 7.62X25. In fact,I found several of them -- made by Colt and Smith & Wesson.
Only they called it the .32-20.
(For those who are mystified by this post, the .32-20's ballistics are identical to the 7.62X25)
Only they called it the .32-20.
(For those who are mystified by this post, the .32-20's ballistics are identical to the 7.62X25)
macadore
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Zastava makes one, but I have never seen one for sale.
http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm
http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm
20+ years ago I recall some one brought in some 1911-A1 pistols that had been captured by the Commies and converted to 7.62x25mm. I am thinking the Chi Coms converted them. They were priced fairly cheap, rather regret not getting one now...
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