Vern Humphrey
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You probably wouldn't like it after you got it -- rimless, bottle-neck cartridges don't work well in revolvers.
7.62x25 in a new gun? Would you buy it?
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Jim Watson
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Without going downstairs to look up the numbers for you, it works out to
.45 ACP - shorter
7.62x25 - longer
Enough difference that it is not a reasonable adaptation.
The Communist Chinese converted some US aid 1911s they captured from the Nationalist Chinese to shoot 7.62 in common with their Tokarevs and submachine guns, but it was a near thing, the front strap is paper thin after they opened up the magazine well to take a 7.62 length magazine.
Star made a few 1911-ish guns in .30 Mauser but I don't know if any made it to the US. Most of them had shoulder stocks verboten to American Commoners and at least some were full auto, whee!
.45 ACP - shorter
7.62x25 - longer
Enough difference that it is not a reasonable adaptation.
The Communist Chinese converted some US aid 1911s they captured from the Nationalist Chinese to shoot 7.62 in common with their Tokarevs and submachine guns, but it was a near thing, the front strap is paper thin after they opened up the magazine well to take a 7.62 length magazine.
Star made a few 1911-ish guns in .30 Mauser but I don't know if any made it to the US. Most of them had shoulder stocks verboten to American Commoners and at least some were full auto, whee!
Ivy Mike
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I wonder if you could devise a cylinder for a revolver that would match the shape of the 7.62x25 thus eliminating the need for moon clips and preventing horrible distortions in the case when firing. Using something big and burly like a Ruger GP100 or S&W L or N frame, you would have no trouble with hot handloads or some of that reportedly hot surplus 7.62x25 floating around out there.
Clipper
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Clean, bottleneck cartridges don't work in revolvers because the shoulder blows forward, forcing the case head back against the breech face, locking up the cylinder. Even a gentle neck like the .22 jet had caused problems, forcing S&W to discontinue it.
Ivy Mike
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Hey Clipper, good point. I hadn't thought of that.
Oh well.
Oh well.
outerlimit
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Sean,
That is an interesting thought.
I'm too lazy to look this up, but I'm guessing that the case is probably about the same length or shorter. And the diameter is going to be less, since the Tokarev is a bottlenecked cartridge. So we're probably looking at less powder capacity. I don't know the details of the case strength of the .327 mag either.
wheelgunslinger
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327 mag in a pistol? That would be cool.
Clipper
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The whole point of a new 7.62x25 is the availability of cheap milsurp ammo...
Vern Humphrey
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But what do you do when that supply runs out -- as it has with many another surplus cartridge?
Get a SP 101 in .325 Mag and handload, you'll be better off.
Or just use a .357, and load it as you choose.
Get a SP 101 in .325 Mag and handload, you'll be better off.
Or just use a .357, and load it as you choose.
Vern Humphrey
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I guess heat-seeking bullets with a laser tracking system would be incorporated into this gun?
kcshooter
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If it was in a 1911 pattern gun (or something besides a Glock), if an American ammo company made brass cased, reloadable, JHP round, then yes, in a heartbeat!
In the mean time, I'm not gonna hold my breath.
In the mean time, I'm not gonna hold my breath.
glove
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7.62x25
I would buy one. I have owned 2 TT-33 pistoles and they are good guns.
I would buy one. I have owned 2 TT-33 pistoles and they are good guns.
Hmmmmay here recall the Stetchkin APS??? I know it was a 9x18mm;but it was a BIG 9x18mm made within the whole holster/Shoulder stocked bullet hose,like on eof those Mausers ,or the Glock 18/VP70 family of guns...but anyhow;as someone here mentioned the possible contenders for the russian service pistol contract a few years back were either dedicated 7.62x25 or convertible with 9x19..
You guys think someone like Arsenal (USA) or another would consider building a semi-auto only variant of the Stechkin(maybe in 7.62)???
You guys think someone like Arsenal (USA) or another would consider building a semi-auto only variant of the Stechkin(maybe in 7.62)???
unspellable
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<< Clean, bottleneck cartridges don't work in revolvers because the shoulder blows forward, forcing the case head back against the breech face, locking up the cylinder. Even a gentle neck like the .22 jet had caused problems, forcing S&W to discontinue it. >>
This is an urban myth. The 22 Jet was the only bottle neck cartridge to exhibit this problem and it was precisely because of the long tapered shoulder. It was another example of the biggies taking a wildcat commercial and having a compulsion to fix something that wasn't broke. The 22 harvey K Chuck was the inspiration and it had a sharp shoulder and no problems. There is a long list of bottle necked cartridges in revolvers that had no set back problems.
I shoot the 17 HMR and the 357-44 B&D with no hint of set back.
On the other hand, the 7.62x25 would require moon clips for extraction unless you have a poke em out one at a time ejector.
This is an urban myth. The 22 Jet was the only bottle neck cartridge to exhibit this problem and it was precisely because of the long tapered shoulder. It was another example of the biggies taking a wildcat commercial and having a compulsion to fix something that wasn't broke. The 22 harvey K Chuck was the inspiration and it had a sharp shoulder and no problems. There is a long list of bottle necked cartridges in revolvers that had no set back problems.
I shoot the 17 HMR and the 357-44 B&D with no hint of set back.
On the other hand, the 7.62x25 would require moon clips for extraction unless you have a poke em out one at a time ejector.
tinygnat219
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The words, "Hell Yes" come to mind on this product. I don't care who makes it. Whoever does, gets my money.
seeker_two
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Even if it's a Jennings or Bryco?..... 
fletcher
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My point in purchasing one would be to have a cartridge that's effective against body armor that seems to be increasingly common amongst thugs. The cheap milsurp ammo certainly is appealing, though...
Any source for that? I'm not trying to show you up, but I have never heard of Tokarevs being popular with criminals in the U.S. Admittedly, they are popular with criminals in Europe and Asia, and that's pretty well documented.
Or did you mean thugs are getting body armor? I couldn't tell.
fletcher
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^ The Tokarevs aren't popular with criminals, I was referring to the armor (which 7.62x25 will defeat some levels that stop most other handgun calibers).
Ivy Mike
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unspellable, if what you say is true and the 7.62x25 could work in a revolver, wouldn't it be wise to simply duplicate the shape of the chamber in something like a CZ52 in the cylinder of a revolver? If you did that, you might not need moon clips at all. Simply position the round correctly in the cylinder so that you still have good case support and the base sticks out enough to be struck by the firing pin.
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