7.62x51 (.308) bear loads

[KodiakBeer]

Oh, she was a beautiful dog - more like a close friend than a dog.

Wolves and hybrids get a bad reputation because so many people try and raise them outdoors in an enclosure or "habitat" which is essentially just caging a wolf. Somebody is going to get bit, eventually.
The trick is to raise them in the house so they bond with people as "pack members". They should also be spayed young, so there's no hierarchy struggle as they grow older. If you do that, they're the best dog you'll ever have - gentle, smart... They're far smarter than normal dogs.

George used to hunt with us and pack out much of the meat. She loved that. She loved doing any kind of work - pulling a sled, packing meat or supplies, anything you'd ask her to do.

And she didn't fall asleep when she was supposed to be hunting, unlike my son...

 

[Maverick223]

Have to agree WRT wolf related dogs. Part wolf, wolfhound, malamute, husky, akita, and GSDs make great pets, defensive weapons, alarm "systems", and working animals. I prefer German Shepherds due to the climate here but all make great dogs. Also, from my experience a female generally makes a better dog than a male, but I surmise that it may be reversed if the owner is female instead of male. That said a handy shotgun or rifle is a welcome addition as well.

 

[Birddog1911]

Don't know about up there in Alaska, but here in Colorado years back the media had a field day with a woman who was killed by her hybrid. Of course, the animal was kept in a fenced enclosure.

I've spent most of my life around dogs, and while no expert, have certainly come to understand a bit about their behavior and heirarchy.


Mini, sorry to have a doggy hijack here!

 

[KodiakBeer]

Birddog1911: here in Colorado years back the media had a field day with a woman who was killed by her hybrid. Of course, the animal was kept in a fenced enclosure.

That's always the case. That was a captive wolf, not a companion animal. I suppose the same is largely true of pit bulls and other breeds with bad reputations. Canines are largely of a product of how they are raised.

 

[mini14gb]

Bird,
No problem about the hijack you can take the thread where ever you like.

 

[Maverick223]

No problem about the hijack you can take the thread where ever you like.

Don't say that too loud..."others" (who will remain unnamed) could be lurking in the bushes waiting for a comment like that.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Maverick: Don't say that too loud..."others" (who will remain unnamed) could be lurking in the bushes waiting for a comment like that.

So..... will a .308 stop a large angry canine.....

 

[Maverick223]

So..... will a .308 stop a large angry canine...

Whatcha' mean? FWIW I wasn't referring to you, and never said that the .308Win. won't stop a bear...because well, it will. In fact I don't recall more than a single person that refused to accept that it would do just that, because to think that is the case is foolish (no offense Greg, but it is), thus showing that the individual is seriously misinformed on the subject. It will stop a great many things, including even [gasp] small dogs.

I did say that it wouldn't be my choice for the task, and said that because it surely wouldn't, but if the user loads properly for that cartridge, and has that rifle (and it seems that the OP does), and most importantly knows how to use that rifle effectively (for well placed shots) that .308Win. will stop a bear cold in its tracks.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Not sure if serious...

Now badgers, there's a tricky animal to stop. If you are ever been swarmed by a pack of rabid badgers you'll wish you were carrying a, a, a, uhhh...

Anybody know what's best to stop a pack of rabid badgers?

Or wolverines, now that I think about it...

 

[Maverick223]

Not sure if serious...

Yep, serious about everything save for the "small dog" part.

That does look like one pissed off little booger, but alas badgers and wolverines are easy to stop...you just need a stopping rifle, something like a .460Wby should suffice in a pinch.

^Just in case it's not clear...not serious (on the last part).

 

[Al LaVodka]

To stop Wolverine, other than a Screen-Writer's strike? Something OK for a Griz too then...
Winchester Supreme 3" Mag Copper-plated 000 Buck. That's what, 10 .36 caliber, 68 gr., balls at 1,225 fps? A sweet wall o'stoppin' power. My 500 will hold 5+1 of the American 3" shells.
Oh, yes, I'm serious.
Al

 

[KodiakBeer]

Yep, serious about everything save for the "small dog" part.

Yeah, I knew that - was playing along to keep the thread on topic, so threw in the dog stopping thing.

But them rabid badgers....

 

[DFW1911]

I think the SOCOM 16 is a great choice for your camp gun.

They are reliable as can be, you can shoot rapidly and accurately, and it can fill multiple roles. Yes it will stop a bear charge.

When I go to Alaska I see too many guys with super-powerful rifles that are simply too much for them to shoot. They'd be much better served with a .12 gauge.

My SOCOM 16 has been a fantastic rifle and runs very well, even when I don't clean it. In camp, your gun will get dirty, wet, etc, so you need something that will function when you need it to; I believe the SOCOM is an excellent choice.

One final note. A study released by a PhD some years back recommends always carrying 2 bear deterrents when you're in bear country. My preference is a 12 gauge backed by a .44 magnum, but I'd be just as comfortable switching the 12 gauge for my SOCOM 16.

Oh, and I'm so envious about your cabin I can't stand it

Take care,
DFW1911

 

[blitzen]

a nice picture of moma bear about 40 yards away on the Russian River. We're all bunched up on a log out in the middle of the river.

 

[scythefwd]

That doesn't appear to be a small bear either. How big did it look from that log?

 

[blitzen]

Me and the old man with a brownie he shot.
No offence to S.C or NYC bear hunters but when it comes to the big bears, don't dought me.

 

[blitzen]

She was damn big. Probably near as big as the boar my dad shot. I have other pics I will get to tomorrow.