870P question.
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dogtown tom
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Available from Remington LE dealers. And $800 is waaaay too much for a NIB 870P.
Looky here:http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=183114334
and here:http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=182319883
With the exception of maybe two small parts the difference between Express, Wingmaster & Police is only in the finish. There is an FAQ floating around from Remington that describes the differences, but it is pretty outdated.
Go here:http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=1 Do a search for posts by J.D. McGuire who goes by the username "aippi" The man knows 870's like few others.
His advice? Get an 870 Express, polish the chamber, shoot the heck out of it. You'll save $$$$$. Unless you want the word POLICE on the receiver. (and that will cost you extra)
Be cautious searching for 870 Police models on GunBroker. Quite a few sellers have no problem throwing around the words "Tactical" & "Police" when describing the gun they are selling. Look to see if they actually ARE what is claimed. Remington makes a both a "Tactical" model and a "Police" model- both will have that rollmarked on the receiver. (Older "Police" models were Wingmaster with 18" barrels and no special markings)
Remington makes an 870 Express "Home Defense" model with features nearly identical to the Police model for less than half the price.
Looky here:http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=183114334
and here:http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=182319883
With the exception of maybe two small parts the difference between Express, Wingmaster & Police is only in the finish. There is an FAQ floating around from Remington that describes the differences, but it is pretty outdated.
Go here:http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=1 Do a search for posts by J.D. McGuire who goes by the username "aippi" The man knows 870's like few others.
His advice? Get an 870 Express, polish the chamber, shoot the heck out of it. You'll save $$$$$. Unless you want the word POLICE on the receiver. (and that will cost you extra)
Be cautious searching for 870 Police models on GunBroker. Quite a few sellers have no problem throwing around the words "Tactical" & "Police" when describing the gun they are selling. Look to see if they actually ARE what is claimed. Remington makes a both a "Tactical" model and a "Police" model- both will have that rollmarked on the receiver. (Older "Police" models were Wingmaster with 18" barrels and no special markings)
Remington makes an 870 Express "Home Defense" model with features nearly identical to the Police model for less than half the price.
DHart
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Yes, finish is the main difference and it's a significant difference at that. The finish on the Express models is notorious for being a rust magnet. It's a crap finish, really. And the chambers and internals on Express models receive a lower degree of polish. The cost of a nice refinish job, on top of the cost of the Express, puts you into 870 Police territory. So you might as well go that way if you want a new 870.
Here's how you get a great deal on a new 870 Police, call Linda at Lou's Police Distributors and tell her Don H from shotgunworld forum sent you. She's giving pricing to forum members of about $485 including shipping on the special production 870P with solid walnut stock and highly polished blue finish. She's got great pricing on the other 870P models as well. Linda is the real deal. A consumate professional and a pleasure to work with. Here's her contact info:
Linda Riccobono
Proud Marine Mom / Proud Navy Mom
Lou's Police Distributors, Inc
Serving the Law Enforcement Community Since 1954
Family Owned and Operated
7815 West 4th Avenue
Hialeah, Fl 33014
Tel: 305.416.0000
Fax: 305.824.9205
Website: www.louspolice.com
Here's the gun I bought from her:
Here's how you get a great deal on a new 870 Police, call Linda at Lou's Police Distributors and tell her Don H from shotgunworld forum sent you. She's giving pricing to forum members of about $485 including shipping on the special production 870P with solid walnut stock and highly polished blue finish. She's got great pricing on the other 870P models as well. Linda is the real deal. A consumate professional and a pleasure to work with. Here's her contact info:
Linda Riccobono
Proud Marine Mom / Proud Navy Mom
Lou's Police Distributors, Inc
Serving the Law Enforcement Community Since 1954
Family Owned and Operated
7815 West 4th Avenue
Hialeah, Fl 33014
Tel: 305.416.0000
Fax: 305.824.9205
Website: www.louspolice.com
Here's the gun I bought from her:
Also understand that Remington was producing 870's since that shotguns beginnings in a police version.
I have a 1975 price guide and it clearly shows an 870 Police version with an 18.5 inch barrel with a wood stock with the corn cob slide.
My 870 police is over 20 years old and is not identified on the receiver as "Police" but is in fact an 870 Police.
I also have a 1990 Remington guide that shows my very shotgun and is identified as an 870 Police.
The police marking on the receivers started in the mid 90's.
What I dont know is did the older Police 870's have their own assembly line like todays or was it necessary to start their own assembly line because of quality control issues that were brought up by law enforcement people??
Remington is nowhere near the company it was in it's Dupont days as I own several Remington rifles made in the 60's and 70's and their quality of workmanship is a night and day difference from what I am seeing today.
I have a 1975 price guide and it clearly shows an 870 Police version with an 18.5 inch barrel with a wood stock with the corn cob slide.
My 870 police is over 20 years old and is not identified on the receiver as "Police" but is in fact an 870 Police.
I also have a 1990 Remington guide that shows my very shotgun and is identified as an 870 Police.
The police marking on the receivers started in the mid 90's.
What I dont know is did the older Police 870's have their own assembly line like todays or was it necessary to start their own assembly line because of quality control issues that were brought up by law enforcement people??
Remington is nowhere near the company it was in it's Dupont days as I own several Remington rifles made in the 60's and 70's and their quality of workmanship is a night and day difference from what I am seeing today.
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JNewell
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Maybe true, but the same has to be said for virtually every manufacturing company. If the product hasn't become technologically out of date, gently used is often better, and a better value, than new.
monduconstruct
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My $400 used 870P is beautiful - definitely used, but to me that makes it all the better - I don't have to worry about it getting the first scratch. Mine is 7 or 8 years old so I can't comment on the recent/old build quality.
I can vouch that the recent P and Express aren't all that different in reliability. Both my expresses and my P needed the chamber polished or they'd all choke on cheap low "brass".
That said, the finish IS better and I believe that the barrel is a heavier/thicker barred.
That said, the finish IS better and I believe that the barrel is a heavier/thicker barred.
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