sgt127
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9 rounds of 22 Mag for self defense
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Oh no, no!!! At minimum you need to carry the S&W 500 magnum because all of your bad guy encounters will be the bad guy hiding behind 10 reinforced concrete walls a half a mile away!!!!!
Of course that's a "smidge" of hyperbole aimed at those who are big caliber only radical acolytes......... Heck on another forum one guy just recently posted: "I can't believe how many folks will bet their life on five rounds of .38 SPL!"
Really? Dude needs to take a chill pill.
22 mag will work fine in most cases if it's all you have.
Of course that's a "smidge" of hyperbole aimed at those who are big caliber only radical acolytes......... Heck on another forum one guy just recently posted: "I can't believe how many folks will bet their life on five rounds of .38 SPL!"
Really? Dude needs to take a chill pill.
22 mag will work fine in most cases if it's all you have.
spraay
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This depends a lot on the threat. A .22WMR is going to be more effective than harsh language, but shot placement will be key.
Smaug
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Do you have a basis for that assertion?
It's quite simple, sounds like you have your bias and I have mine. The impression I'm getting here is you want to argue against my assertion. If so it's an argument that has been going on for a long time and has never been resolved and most likely never will. We can waste our time rehashing it all or we could simply agree to disagree if indeed an argument was what you intended.
Your saying that you hav a "bias" does not substantiate your contention.
Nope.
There is an abundance of scientific evidence regarding handgun wounding effectiveness, and a lot of real-world experience. I know of no data from which one could reasonably conclude that the .22 RFK will "work fine" for self defense. Do you?
I did not offer my opinion.
Yet here you are arguing your position........ Go figure.......
I simply asked whether you have any basis for your belief; I said that I was not aware of any; and I pointed out that reasonable assessments can be made from information that exists. None of that constitutes arguing for anything.Yet here you are arguing your position........ Go figure.......
Apparently you never took or even studied "debate". You're presenting an argument (one side of a debate) and have made conclusions based on that component of the argument and are requesting I show my "proof" that may counter your assertion (argument).
Yeah, that constitutes an argument and you're wasting my time.
I have presented no argument at all.
How is "work fine" defined?
I'll give that a go.
"Work fine" = stopping (incapacitating) threat(s) before they can inflict wounds or kill the defender. Sounds like a reasonable expectation for "work fine" to me.
What bullet qualities have the best potential of generating that desired result? Commonly accepted standard is at least 12'' penetration and consistent expansion.
Majority of law enforcement carries ammo that meets the 12'' penetration and consistent expansion criteria, yet I still see fail to quickly stop incidents, even with multiple hits.
Since sometimes multiple hits of 9mm HP fails to "work fine" logically anything less than 9mm HP is even less likely to "work fine".
Okie dokie........
Okay ya gave it a go. Feel better? Like I told the other poster I'm not going to rehash an argument that has been hashed and rehashed a thousand and one times already between the low caliber vs the high caliber tribes. Like in politics it's the same diatribe over and over again, pointless and a waste of time.
It is pointless until the results are tallied.
Well, that one certainly is pointless.
There are some interesting 22 mag results on luckygunner.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/#22Mag
14.7 inches of average penetration,
.42 average expansion. From a mouse gun, not bad at all. Short barrel 38s and 380s can struggle for those numbers. I'd say he could base "should do just fine" on that. Those are Speer 40 grain gold dots.
Hornady critical defense ftx 13.6 average penetration, .40 expansion. Again, not bad at all. I don't recall the barrel length discussed for the specific 9 rounds of 22 mag, but these were 4 inch barrels.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/#22Mag
14.7 inches of average penetration,
.42 average expansion. From a mouse gun, not bad at all. Short barrel 38s and 380s can struggle for those numbers. I'd say he could base "should do just fine" on that. Those are Speer 40 grain gold dots.
Hornady critical defense ftx 13.6 average penetration, .40 expansion. Again, not bad at all. I don't recall the barrel length discussed for the specific 9 rounds of 22 mag, but these were 4 inch barrels.
Alright, he's talking about a four inch barrel. Loaded with either of those two loads, yes, I would say you're well equipped. Lots of blast and noise with this round, but no recoil in my experience. Train through the blast and place those rounds quickly. I think you could have a basis to say your friend is equipped. I see you mentioned the gold dots specifically. 22 mag being decent seems very load specific.
Charlie Martinez
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If his choices are carry the 22 mag or nothing at all the answer is simple; Carry the 22 mag.
Yep, that's it. As always with these debates, someone argues that a lesser caliber is as good as the standard line of .GE. 9mm, 38 SPL, with a diversion to the more power 32s.
However, if that's all you have or some physical reason necessitates a 22 LR, 22 Mag, then go for it. But can we stop the argument that they are equivalent? That's so boring each time it's brought up.
However, if that's all you have or some physical reason necessitates a 22 LR, 22 Mag, then go for it. But can we stop the argument that they are equivalent? That's so boring each time it's brought up.
Easily, yes.
14.7 inches of average penetration,
.42 average expansion. 380s and 38 snubs are generally considered adequate ccw weapons, and that penetration/expansion ratio is often not met in popular jhp loads in those calibers.
A 22 mag doing that 9 times, I'm not really sure why that would be a five page point of contention...
14.7 inches of average penetration,
.42 average expansion. 380s and 38 snubs are generally considered adequate ccw weapons, and that penetration/expansion ratio is often not met in popular jhp loads in those calibers.
A 22 mag doing that 9 times, I'm not really sure why that would be a five page point of contention...
tws3b2
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Caliber comes in a distant 3rd.
Being able to put the first shot where it needs to be when it needs to be there comes in first.
Reliability 2nd.
Then maybe caliber.
The 22 has proven many times that it can do the job. IF your friend can do his part.
Being able to put the first shot where it needs to be when it needs to be there comes in first.
Reliability 2nd.
Then maybe caliber.
The 22 has proven many times that it can do the job. IF your friend can do his part.
Targa
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What could possibly go wrong with a rimfire for self defense thread..
I have to say, I have never shot a .22wmr but I would certainly like to.
I have to say, I have never shot a .22wmr but I would certainly like to.
