A new respect for the .22 lately.

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Why? He's only selling information. Information is still legal, you know. Anyone can go into a public library and get information on how to build an atomic bomb, but unless they get the plutonium, the info is worthless. Same thing with full-auto weapons. Getting or making the necessary parts will be the tough part.
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Yeah, but he actually made one. It's in the video.
 
I've often felt there's a generation gap when it comes to 22lr handguns. It was good enough for my grandfather, shooting shorts no less. Good enough for all my uncles and father when out in the field and fishing.
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Did they actually have to use them to stop an attack?
Then in the 70's the .357 mag was THE gun to have. In the 80's the 9mm craze took hold. The 90's gave us the 10mm and not long after the 40 S/W.
If the price of 500 S/W comes down I'm assuming it'll be the only reasonable CCW in the near future among the "truly" knowledgable
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The police have apparently determined the .40 to be the best mix. I consider them to be "truly knowledgeable", because they are the most likely to get in to firefights that are similiar to civilian settings. I'd prefer something less noisy, maybe a .45, if I had to fire indoors.
I'll stick with my trusty 22 revolvers. BTW, to date not one single failure of brick 22 in any of them after 28 years and lord knows how many rounds. Mike
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Well, that's truly lucky. In less than a year of owning a new .22 rifle, I've probably had at least 50 misfires or jams

A 22lr has as much energy as other small pistol cartridges and out penetrate most of them as a pistol round.
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I think that cartridge would have about 129 ft/ibs of energy at the muzzle, from a rifle. Similiar to a .32 ACp, not from a rifle. I also doubt a .22 would go further than a .32 or .380.

Beretta, .semi auto, 22 : ENTERING: thru a dresser drawer(one side) thru wall of 1/2 plaster board, thru 3/8" latts with plaster inbetween.

EXITED: 1/2 dry wall into my leg and it's still there! Another 1/16 of an inch to the right and Dr said it would have shattered my shin bone!

So much for lacking penetration from a dimiuntive 22 !!!!!!!!!
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It got stuck in your leg after going through a little bit of drywall, and probably particle board. The FBI says that a cartridge should go through at least 1 foot of ballistics gelatin. For a .22 to do this, it must use a solid projectile, with no expansion.

I've never heard ANYONE complain about being shot by a "too small" gun/bullet !!!!!
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Some FBI agents got killed because they used too small a round.

I sure would not want to be shot by a person with a .22lr pistol that can aim and shoot.
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I wouldn't either, however, I wouldn't want to trust my life to a .22. Not because it can't kill, it can, it's because I don't trust it to stop quickly.
If you can find a guy that can take a few of them right up the air intake and walk off I want to see that guy as he is probably related to a T-34 tank.
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Can you shoot that accurately, on a moving target, under stress?
 
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Even though I reload, I've been shooting a lot more .22LR lately. Just can't beat the bang for the buck and fun factor.
 
.22 is the only caliber that I know of where you can get shot in the ankle and it will end up in you elbow.

Think I'd rather get hit by a .380 to tell you the truth.
 
.22 is the only caliber that I know of where you can get shot in the ankle and it will end up in you elbow.

Think I'd rather get hit by a .380 to tell you the truth.
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You do understand this is because the .22 doesn't have enough power to penetrate right :uhoh: When you here about .22 rounds tracking around a skull, it's because it's not powerful enough to penetrate... I'd pick the .22 anyday if somebody was going to shoot me :barf:
Difference between a .380 bullet in the lungs and a .22 that tracked around the ribs.....
 
My old partner who used a .45 in both of his shootings had 230 grain HST hollow points track the skull too. I think its more about angle than penetration ability.

Ive personally seen a .22 do a through and through wound to a drug dealers head. Entered the bridge of the nose and exited the left ear to go on and cut a nice groove out of his shoulder.

The .22 definitely isnt the most powerful cartridge out there but it doesnt get the respect it deserves.
 
Can you shoot that accurately, on a moving target, under stress?

Don't people shoot rabbits with .22?
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Yes, but I wouldn't define that as "under stress". They are probably also using a rest of some sort.

I think .22s are great, just not what I'd use for self-defense.
 
A rest for shooting at rabbits?

I'm not talking about varmint sniping or whatever that crap is called... where I live, the brush is too tall. You actually have to go find rabbits to shoot.
 
The stress is much higher when someone is shooting at you than hunting rabbits. Id say a better hunting analogy would be a charging bear.

I understand what he meant though. I think he was referring to the hitting a moving target question.
 
My wife is going for her CC soon, and although she enjoys shooting the .22 autos we have, she is still new to shooting and leery about remembering the buttons and switches under pressure of fear.

That's why I got her a smith 317 airlite .22... eight shots, no hesitation, no worries.. pull it out and pull the trigger.

She has had multiple shoulder surgeries and cannot handle recoil, period. No options other than the .22LR. I suspect an assailant not on crack or speed will hesitate after the first half dozen hits, killshots or no.
 
Rabbits are a lot easier to stop than people. The rabbits are never shooting back.

If you want to rely on a .22 OR blanks for SD, go right ahead.

bigdavep, could your wife handle something like, a heavy-framed .357 shooting .38s? That should get the recoil at least CLOSE to a .22.
 
Poor analogy.
Few people train with targets that shoot at them.
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I think what he's saying is that hitting a rabbit using shooting sticks isn't the same as hitting someone shooting at you in the neck and being precise enough to hit the spine.
 
Wow...I can't wait til the anti-gunners see how easy it is to convert the 10/22 to full auto. It'll go on the next AWB for sure. It's one thing to have fun, but why put it on youtube and show everyone?
 
a good knife is light years ahead of any 22 rimfire pistol in a close quarters fight. In fact, at contact distances, a knife in the rights hands, is better than almost anything. A knife is a fearsome and gruesome weapon.
 
Not in my hands, lawboy; I don't have the skill. Even with skill, not all will agree with you that it "is better than almost anything." At any rate, further exploration of that topic here at THR would properly belong in S & T or NFW. As for "fearsome and greusome"... you'll get no argument from me about that.
 
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