ABC NEWS: Gunshow Loophole, man buys 10 guns in one hour
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22-rimfire
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There is no gunshow loophole. All gun sales from a FFL at a gunshow are no different from buying from the local gunshop. It is propaganda. Private sales are legal in most states without the NICs check.
Lone_Gunman
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No that is not a straw purchase. Your wife was gifted the straw by Taco Bell.
However, that Beef Burrito should have been registered as a destructive device.
Well it shows that guns are what, cheap, expensive, easy to get? proves nothing during the past 80years, anyone could have picked up a handgun in the streets of NY for a couple hundred dollars if someone wanted to look around or knew a questionable type, in a certain part of town, same goes for any ware. Kind of like mentioned above with drugs, if you have the cash you can always get what you want, Anyone who took the time to get a license no matter how easy it was, shows that at least they intended to follow instructions, and read a few facts that they didn't know before. It is not likely that a person who intends to commit an illegal act, is going to get a license prior to doing so, and wherever money can be made it will. More sensationalism, as mentioned, this topic is relevant only because of the recent events that are really caused by a bad economy, and whenever the economy get this bad, crime always escalates. Loophole is not a loophole, it's someone who is intentionally, and knowingly, breaking the law, he should be punished before, or at least be as much as the person who facilitated his actions
KBintheSLC
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The funny thing is that cars are several hundred percent more deadly than guns. Yet you can buy a car without showing your drivers license, proof of insurance, proof of visual acuity, psych exams, background check, etc.
Even if you have 50 DUI's, you can still walk into a car dealership with nothing but a wad of cash, and an hour later walk out with a far more deadly weapon than any civilian firearm. And, owning a car is not even a constitutional right.
***??? Stupid media.
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Even if you have 50 DUI's, you can still walk into a car dealership with nothing but a wad of cash, and an hour later walk out with a far more deadly weapon than any civilian firearm. And, owning a car is not even a constitutional right.
***??? Stupid media.
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TexasRifleman
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I'm pretty sure I could get the same transactions done in Mexico City or London, though it would be a crime.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove.
If the idea is to show that a criminal can buy a gun, criminals can buy guns in just about every country on Earth.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove.
If the idea is to show that a criminal can buy a gun, criminals can buy guns in just about every country on Earth.
I think he took them to a "gun buyback" and got a couple of hundred dollars apiece for them. Thus, he's now $2000 richer.
This could be a new Obama stimulus plan. Give people on welfare $5K to buy guns and turn them in at the next "gun buyback". They go buy 10 guns and then turn them into the government for $2K in return. The government destroys the guns. The poor people vote for Obama and the Democrats in the next election. The media shows film of all of the guns being "turned in" and proclaims the success of "gun buyback" programs. Obama kills three birds with just two handouts.
NavyLCDR
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What loophole? The guy could have bought ten guns from an FFL in most states, except it would take longer than 1 hour to do the paperwork.
Dark Skies
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Well, if you have the appropriate license you can do that in the UK from a regular gun dealer or private owner. What's the problem?
Anna's Dad
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I think I should call up ABC News and offer to participate in a follow-up piece.
I bet I could buy 20 guns in an hour for $10,000 of their money.
I'd certainly be willing to give it a try!
I bet I could buy 20 guns in an hour for $10,000 of their money.
I'd certainly be willing to give it a try!
bigfatdave
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Corrected Headline: Man Legally Purchases Eight Firearms
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Reductio ad absurdum: If your sister had been stabbed with a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife, would you find it harder to handle a Victorinox than a Wenger?
Perhaps Mr. Samaha should have a personal problem with murderers, rather than the tools they pick. Perhaps Mr. Samaha should be fighting for better security, or working to end the victim mentality that allows a single criminal to hold dozens hostage, keeping them cowering in the corner hoping someone will save them before their turn comes.
The news will run the stories that are cheap to produce and draw the most viewers. $5000 and some writing/interview time are actually a lot cheaper than real investigative reporting. Market forces are why we see things like this, and have endless "news" about celebrity antics - the public eat it up, and it is dirt cheap to produce.
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I'm sorry for his loss, but I have to point out the logical fallacy of associating the tool with the crime.
Reductio ad absurdum: If your sister had been stabbed with a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife, would you find it harder to handle a Victorinox than a Wenger?
Perhaps Mr. Samaha should have a personal problem with murderers, rather than the tools they pick. Perhaps Mr. Samaha should be fighting for better security, or working to end the victim mentality that allows a single criminal to hold dozens hostage, keeping them cowering in the corner hoping someone will save them before their turn comes.
The news will run the stories that are cheap to produce and draw the most viewers. $5000 and some writing/interview time are actually a lot cheaper than real investigative reporting. Market forces are why we see things like this, and have endless "news" about celebrity antics - the public eat it up, and it is dirt cheap to produce.
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Lone_Gunman said:
OK, it was a straw purchase but not an illegal one. There is no law against buying a firearm for someon else, using their money.
An illegal straw purchase can only be made through a licensed dealer. The crime is not buying the firearm for someone else, it is perjuring yourself on question one of the 4473.
No crime is committed in a FTF transsfer between unlicensed individuals.
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How can the free exchange of privatly owned property be a crime?
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How about closing the "front porch" loophole? I bought a gun from a guy on his front porch one time. I also sold a revolver to the lady who used to cut my hair in her salon, what about the "salon loophole" ? Anything you can buy or sell at a gun show parking lot can be bought and sold ANYWHERE.
kentucky bucky
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Lucky guy!!!!
10/22plinker
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Hmmmm to critique the show I definately would have kept those firearms that he bought with $5000 my excuse I want to keep myself from ending up like my sister and embrace the glock instead of holding it like a dead snake though I found it interesting the glock being the first gun he bought he came right back to the car holding the glock 2 glock magazines and what appeared to be... an AR magazine??? About the reenactment of the school shootings essentialy shooting each other with paintball guns I might be an idiot but I'm pretty sure the first thing you do is duck then draw the gun... genius right? They could also do away with the phrase "this year guns will have killed hundreds of thousands".? Even in movies I haven't seen a gun kill someone if anyone here has seen a gun follow someone then shoot them if you have seen this though please pm me I'd like to here your story.
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shotgunjoel
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Lone_Gunman, that was a good one, had me laughing for like a minute. But the guy did say that his wife went to Wendy's instead. Do like your way better though.
toivo
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OK, I'll harp on the obvious, but one has to do that from time to time. I lived for a while in Japan, a country with very strict gun laws and very low crime rates. Guess what? The gangsters had guns! What? Shock and amazement! How could that be? I guess the gangsters hadn't read the law. They would just pop on over to Russia now and then to wheel and deal for a fast boat full of Makarovs.
So why the low crime rates? Because there were very few gangsters. Why? For a whole lot of legal and socio-economic reasons that no one wants to talk about because it's too complicated and unpleasant. We don't like to think we have a crime problem; if we call it a gun crime problem, we can clamp down on it without hurting anybody's feelings. We're all good people, right? And we live in a great society where everything is just as it should be. It must be the guns' fault.
In twenty or thirty years, we'll all be on a forum somewhere arguing about longbow crime. Compounds will have been banned.
So why the low crime rates? Because there were very few gangsters. Why? For a whole lot of legal and socio-economic reasons that no one wants to talk about because it's too complicated and unpleasant. We don't like to think we have a crime problem; if we call it a gun crime problem, we can clamp down on it without hurting anybody's feelings. We're all good people, right? And we live in a great society where everything is just as it should be. It must be the guns' fault.
In twenty or thirty years, we'll all be on a forum somewhere arguing about longbow crime. Compounds will have been banned.
10/22plinker
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I'm with everyone here if you buy so many guns with $5000 good for you but in all honesty a 'bad guy' could only hold 1 gun at a time unless of course he thinks he's in a video game and holds 2 pistols so tell me again how 10 guns in the hands of 1 person is different than 1. Another thing to point out it's pretty obvious he doesn't know much about safety he was carrying about 5 rifles in the crook of his arm and I may be seeing things but I think when he was holding the glock his finger was on the trigger most of the time.
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