Academy has tightened limits on 22lr

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I just wish people would stop calling me a hoarder,,,

I just wish people would stop calling me a hoarder,,,
I'm simply a person who went the entire summer of 2009,,,
Limiting myself to a single-shot rifle and 25 rounds of .22 per range trip,,,
All because there was absolutely no .22 ammo to be found in Stillwater, Oklahoma.

So after ammunition started coming back to the stores,,,
I swore that would not ever happen to me again,,,
Every time I hit Wal-Mart with extra cash,,,
I bought another 550 round bulk pack,,,
I advised my friends to do the same.

It's not like I was depriving anyone of their opportunity to buy ammunition,,,
When I was buying 3-5 bulk packs a month there was plenty,,,
Wal Mart had not yet imposed the arbitrary limits,,,
All I did was use my disposable cash wisely.

I have been able to go shooting as much as I want this summer,,,
And I have turned some close friends on to some as well,,,
I even donated some packs to the local 4-H clubs,,,
It wasn't the kids fault they had no ammo.

It's not hoarding,,,
It's assessing your future needs,,,
And acquiring a "bench stock" level to meet them.

I was the ant,,,
Not the grasshopper.

Aarond

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aarondhgraham said:
I just wish people would stop calling me a hoarder,,,
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Hoarder, hoarder, hoarder! :neener:

Don't let them get to you. As far as I'm concerned, these people can bugger off. That's the very mentality which leads people to think that just because someone else has plenty, they're entitled to a share of their stash.

Nay, nay, moose breath I say.

I've had a minimum stash for my pistols for years now...I considered it to be one ammo can full of ammo for each caliber. That's about 1200 rounds of .45acp, 1500 rounds of 9mm, and 3500 rounds of .22WMR. Bought it all a box or two at a time whenever I went to Walmart with a few extra bucks in my wallet.

Bugger 'em if they can't do the same.
 
I don't think most folks are upset about people who stashed ammo when it was cheap and easy to buy. I think most are upset by others who profiteer from current misery... buying hard-to-find ammo today just to flip for profit. Some might even liken it (abstractly) to buying the last loaves of bread from supermarket shelves so they can triple their money re-selling to starving masses.
 
When I go in a store that has a limit on ammo, I thank them for doing so. I've stopped in Walmart on the way to work and seen a line of retirees and heard them on the phone to their cohorts in other Walmarts. Apparently when one hits paydirt, he calls his buddies and they all converge on that store to buy all they can.
To heck with the flippers. I love to see their plans disrupted.
 
aarondhgraham said:
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I cannot imagine why anyone would call your actions "hoarding." Hoarding becomes a concern when people are trying to amass hoards during a shortage. People who have a stockpile before a shortage hits actually mitigate the shortage - you take yourself out of the market and simply use your stockpile. You're like extra inventory in the system, or a shock absorber!

What's more, by buying at more than your immediate consumption rate during the slow times in the market, you help even out the lumps/dips in the demand graph. That encourages the manufacturers to maintain capacity, and to be less fearful of expanding capacity during temporary shortages.

When the shortage ends, all of us should, to the extent feasible and consistent with other financial and practical restrictions, gradually accumulate a stockpile. So long as we don't all try to do it instantly and simultaneously!
 
^^^ True. It's what I did. If I see some .22lr at a decent price sitting on a shelf when I go into a store [like what happened at Academy a few weeks ago when I bought a box of 325 count Federal Automatch], then I may pick it up. But I'm not hurting, . . . . and would never pay at "scalper pricing".

What I HAVE seen . . . is the very few times I end up at a Walmart early in the morning, . . . the same guy(s) are there [and know the guy who works the counter in the mornings pretty well now]. That's fine and good for them, . . . but the person who can't do that [for whatever reason], and can only get there in the evenings, . . . is left out because a few guys constantly show up and buy all the stuff. . . . . . . and I would not at all be surprised if they're the ones at gunshows selling them for 3 times the normal price.
 
When the shortage ends, all of us should, to the extent feasible and consistent with other financial and practical restrictions, gradually accumulate a stockpile. So long as we don't all try to do it instantly and simultaneously!
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I think this best describes the current situation. That's EXACTLY what many of us are doing! If they got caught with their belts around their ankles, can you blame them for not wanting to go through that again.

With all of the great "stuff" that the 'net has to offer, I can't help but wonder how many tempests in tea-pots have boiled over state lines because of our easy access to the world and all of its problems.
 
It bears mentioning again that you can backorder to your hearts content right now at Midwayusa. I just put in for a case of Mini-mags. It's scheduled to ship around the first of the year. Fight back against the insanity by having a little patience and ordering online. Let the unwashed masses play the ammo lottery at 6:30 in the morning while you sit(or better yet sleep!) comfortably at home. The savings in gas, time and mental health are more than worth it. Unless of course you prefer all the extra drama and "Why me?" crap.
 
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^^^ True. It's what I did. If I see some .22lr at a decent price sitting on a shelf when I go into a store [like what happened at Academy a few weeks ago when I bought a box of 325 count Federal Automatch], then I may pick it up. But I'm not hurting, . . . . and would never pay at "scalper pricing".

What I HAVE seen . . . is the very few times I end up at a Walmart early in the morning, . . . the same guy(s) are there [and know the guy who works the counter in the mornings pretty well now]. That's fine and good for them, . . . but the person who can't do that [for whatever reason], and can only get there in the evenings, . . . is left out because a few guys constantly show up and buy all the stuff. . . . . . . and I would not at all be surprised if they're the ones at gunshows selling them for 3 times the normal price.
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What amazes me is that so many believe that the ammo is showing up like it always did but a few people are buying it all up. Thats not happening. Even chains like Walmart and Academy are only getting portions of their regular orders. Store managers would order large quantities if they could get it but what ammo is coming in is being rationed out to their stores. The 22lr ammo has not been making it to the distribution centers of these chains let alone their store shelfs. That has been the problem from day 1.

So it matters not when a store puts ammo out for sale as it will be gone in an instant. An example was this past Monday at my local Academy. They received 8 of the Remington 1400 count buckets and promptly sold them to 8 people. Anyway, the bounty secured by 6 months of waiting in line 3 days a week was shipped out yesterday to my son. Enough ammo for the grandkids and squirrel hunting.
 
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I hope the shortage ends extremely abruptly and all the "flippers" are caught with tons of inventory that's worth half of what they paid.:neener:
 
This should be a wakeup call to those who didn't buy enough when enough was in the stores. I hope the .22lr delema is resolved at some point in the near future.

But even at the Academy, last night, . . . even 9mm fmj practice ammo was gone. There was .40cal and .45acp in a fair amount.
 
Orion8472 said:
This should be a wakeup call to those who didn't buy enough when enough was in the stores. I hope the .22lr delema is resolved at some point in the near future.

But even at the Academy, last night, . . . even 9mm fmj practice ammo was gone. There was .40cal and .45acp in a fair amount.
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I've noticed that less pistol amo is showing up vs 3 months ago. I just hope its a blip and supplies will stablize but it does have me worried. We finally saw some bulk 223/556 finally reappear in 1000,900 and 420 count bulk offerings. Academy even matched Walmarts price on the AE 62 grain 150 count boxes. Still thats $69.99 + tax but at least its in stock.
 
Orion8472 said:
This should be a wakeup call to those who didn't buy enough when enough was in the stores. I hope the .22lr delema is resolved at some point in the near future.

But even at the Academy, last night, . . . even 9mm fmj practice ammo was gone. There was .40cal and .45acp in a fair amount.
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how can there be enough 22 ammo if everyone thinks like that? The guys with 700,000 rds will buy everything they see anyway and the guys without it will try to get 700,000 rds. So I do not see it ending
 
I guess I'm a hoarder. I had just over 20k rounds of 22LR last December and now I have less than 6k. I got a brick of Golden Bullets in yesterday and expect a 1k pack in today from Cabela's. I have a few thousand on order with Midway and they will ship eventually. I have not seen a single brick at any of the big box retailers I have visited in the last year. From FL to CA and everywhere in between though I freely admit I am not in the stores at 7 AM.
The real question for me is probably going to go unanswered. Walmart is probably the largest seller of ammunition in the USA and what are their sales YOY? Are they selling more or less than they did in 2012 in total?
The answer would clear up a lot of questions. Are the manufacturers shorting Walmart or is all of it just being bought up more quickly? The guy working at Walmart doesn't know. He just knows that he has to answer a lot more questions than he did a year ago so he perceives that there is less coming in. He/she may not even own a gun but they have to listen to all the conspiracy theories and whiners every day so they are becoming an expert in all things firearm related. Last year they didn't know a 380 from a 45.

I am also interested in the regional issues. Why does a local store that I frequent ALWAYS have plenty of 40 and 45 but rarely any 380, 9mm or 22? Other places I have been always have plenty of 9mm but no 40. Do we shoot more 9mm in Alabama than they do in Ohio?

I could care less about the flippers. They have figured out how to make a buck by taking advantage of a supply situation so more power to them. If they can pick up 10 bricks of 22 by going to five stores at opening then they can flip it on GB and make an extra $400 or so a week. Good for them! When I get a high market on the things I sell I certainly try to maximize my profit. I rarely get up earlier than normal for that opportunity.

It's not a "black market" unless they are selling illegally. Failure to pay taxes doesn't make it a black market. Ammo was selling on GB before all this craziness so was that a black market? The guy selling the Cobra 380 in the parking lot of the local grocery store? That is a black market.

Anyone in my local area(AL and GA) that needs a couple of boxes of 22lr or any other ammo can just contact me and I will sell it to them for what I paid. This is for a guy that just wants 50 rounds for his 22 and hasn't been able to find any or needs a box of 9mm for a range session.

Shoot what you have and what you can replace. Buy it when you see it. It will get better eventually. I hope.
 
If you're getting excited about getting Remington Golden bullets you definitely a hoarder. lol
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They are pretty close to the worst 22 ammo I have ever shot but they are better than any I have been able to find this year:)

UPS just delivered 1k rounds of Winchester M-22. I don't know that I have ever used this ammo but, once again, it will be better than what I have seen at the local retailers lately.
 
jrdolall said:
I guess I'm a hoarder. I had just over 20k rounds of 22LR last December and now I have less than 6k.
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Not much of a hoarder if you're down 14k from last year's 20k, you know. Now, if you were UP 14k to 34k since then, THEN you might be classified as a "hoarder".

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jrdolall said:
I am also interested in the regional issues. Why does a local store that I frequent ALWAYS have plenty of 40 and 45 but rarely any 380, 9mm or 22? Other places I have been always have plenty of 9mm but no 40. Do we shoot more 9mm in Alabama than they do in Ohio?
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Simply put, because most of those other calibers are probably in more demand than the ones you're seeing. A LOT of people own 9mm and .22, relatively speaking, than .40 and .45.

And, I suppose, it could be a regional thing as well, depending on the demographics of firearms owners in each region.


At a Walmart in Simpsonville, SC last night they had several boxes of .45 WWB, several boxes of 9mm in Federal and a few other brands, and a decent smattering of other calibers. No .22LR, though, and still plenty of empty shelf space.


I'd suggest the next time you hit the road to travel some place, plan on making a few stops as various Walmarts and other stores along the way. I frequently travel between Virginia and South Carolina and most times I can find Walmarts which have ammo I'm looking for when I do this.
 
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True, true. As I wrote above, those who accumulate a stockpile during times of plenty are doing everyone a favor. Just as the flippers make life worse for most shooters, those who accumulate when shelves are full are making life better for others.
 
Hello Queen,,,

I wonder if I can trade some 22lr for a bottle Pappy Van Winkle.
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Oh, that's good stuff!

Around here I know people who would trade their firstborn for a brick of ammo.

One friend of mine was in a terrible dilemma,,,
In December of 2012 they moved into a house way out in the boondocks,,,
One reason they bought it was for their three boys to be able to shoot their .22 rifles.

Right after they moved in Obama was sworn in,,,
And that was the start of this current ammo shortage.

So now they have a great place to shoot,,,
And right off their back porch to boot,,,
But no ammo to be had for the boys.

Back in March or April I loaned him six 550 round bulk packs of Remington Golden Bullet,,,
Two days later he handed me $180.00 in cash in return,,,
I told him to keep the money as I didn't need it,,,
All I asked was when .22 ammo comes back,,,
Replace my stock with the equal amount,,,
He happily agreed to those terms.

His wife cooked me a ham,,,
I'm an old bachelor,,,
Better than gold. :D

Fortunately the boys all have bolt action rifles,,,
Their Pop collected their magazines and hid them away,,,
Having to fire single-shot has helped them conserve their small stash.

Aarond

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I find no problem in getting 9mm, 45 ACP or 223 on line or in local stores. Yes, a given WalMart might be out but you can find it in easy driving distance.

However, you need a team of Dwarves and Bilbo Baggins to find 22 LR.

The San Antonio versions of Smaug and Gollum are sitting on their hordes. Precious, Precioius.
 
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