Accuracy of the typical ak47 vs. the newer mini14's?

which is more accurate, the ak47, or the new mini14's?

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My converted Saiga shoots about and 1 1/2 inches, kind of. It will group 4-5 shots into one tiny group but I always seem to get one flyer that opens the group to 3 inches or so. I'm putting some upgrades on my AK this week including a new trigger. I'll have to try again to see what I get.

Edit: Thats is with Wolf ammo. I haven't tried other brands but I would wager I would get better results. The idea that AKs are strictly a 3-4 MOA or worse rifle is just false in my experience.
 
If you want to talk about rifle accuracy 10 round groups are the minimum. Multiple 10 round groups are better.

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Combat accuracy is based on minute of torso or average of 13 inches across the chest area and 24 inches vertical axis. Minute of angle accuracy belongs to bolt actions which can range from 1-2 inches MOA at 100 yds.
 
If an AK wont hold a group 3" or less at 100 meters I get rid of it because there are plenty others that will. My best ones shoot 1.75" groups at 100 meters with good ammo. Many others will hold about 2.5" -3" groups at that range with optics and good ammo.

I suspect the mini will do better with a pet load. I don't know about mini's but I know that reloading for the AK doesn't get you a lot of extra accuracy.
 
Hitting target s at 100 yds with an AK is much harder bec of the stock design . My Chinese AK has a drop comb the way they designed it. Its easier for me to get my eyes close to the rear sight unlike the straighter AKM style stock like what the SAR 1 has. The key is practice and practice. Know your gun and master it. If you are a badguy at 200 yds away and i have my AK, better take cover.
 
If you want to talk about rifle accuracy 10 round groups are the minimum. Multiple 10 round groups are better.
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10 shot groups do not give a true measure of a rifle's grouping performance.

For example, lets say I have handloaded 30 cartridges and numbered these 1-30 in my cartridge box. The accuracy results for the rifle should be exactly same whether I shoot these cartridges in 3 10 shot groups or 10 3 shot groups correct? After all, same ammo and same rifle. In reality for nearly everyone, the average of the 10 3 shot groups will be smaller, than the average of the 3 10 shot groups. Same rifle and same ammo. The only difference is the performance of shooter. A 10 shot string will require 25-30 minutes given approximately 2 minutes and 30 seconds between shots. While a 3 shot group will require only 7 minutes and 30 seconds, meaning much less shooter fatigue/ eye fatigue, and less time for environmental conditions to change. So by eliminating human and environmental factors we more accurately determine the accuracy of the rifle. The overall number of shots does not have to be limted to 3 or 10, or 6 or 20.
 
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Firing continuosly 50 rds or more be it AKs, ARs or Minis the barrel begins to heat up and you have the carbon fouling. Accuracy then diminishes and it goes downhill from there.
 
my wasr 10 is 18' at 25 yards (really), a friends wasr 10 is 8' at 600 yards, 8 out of 10 rounds fired. His came with a us made and fit barrel, but still very impressive, but clearly a gamble. New model mini would hit a beer can at 100 yards consistently.
 
I don't have any experience with AK's, but a few comments on accuracy in general.

Shooting surplus ammo will not give a good indication of the potential accuracy of the rifle, as the weakest link is usually the ammo itself. You'd need decent handloads to properly test the accuracy of a rifle. Also, as far as sights go, the leaf sights on AK's/SKS's are terrible for accurate shooting. A peep sight on an SKS using decent ammunition can give you less than 2MOA 100 yard groups. I don't see why AK's would be any different.
 
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If an AK wont hold a group 3" or less at 100 meters I get rid of it because there are plenty others that will. My best ones shoot 1.75" groups at 100 meters with good ammo. Many others will hold about 2.5" -3" groups at that range with optics and good ammo.

I suspect the mini will do better with a pet load. I don't know about mini's but I know that reloading for the AK doesn't get you a lot of extra accuracy.
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Yah, the long stroke gas piston does have a limiting effect on how well it can shoot.
 
If you want to talk about rifle accuracy 10 round groups are the minimum. Multiple 10 round groups are better.
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i usually do at least 10 groups of 5 shots, fairly quickly, like maybe 10 minutes for all 10 groups.

for m1 garands i always do 8 shot groups.
 
I was doing pretty good with my Mini 14 for the first real session with it (holding around the 9 ring) with it until my Mini fell off the shooting table. The rear sight was total loss and it also sustained various scratches and the flash hider was tweaked a bit. I fixed everything except for the rear site that I have on order. I am impressed of the accuracy of my 188 series with a strut.
 
I've run every conceivable Mini over the decades and have been generally pleased. The currently owned Mini-14 is as accurate or more so than the AK I had, but sold off. Essentially, "good enuf" accuracy. YMMV.
 
My 580 series Mini will consistently do 1.5-2 MOA with my handload's. Last weekend, I managed a 6 shot group at .9", 100 yards, shooting prone with a rest. So every once in awhile, the Mini will really surprise me.
 
thats true, but ive never waited for cooling.

with my ar's im pretty much squeezing the trigger as soon as im settled back in and in control
 
This ones easy, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know the new Mini's (both 14 & 30) are marginally more accurate than a good AK47.
 
Something about slammin' that round into the chamber...

Minis can be made to shoot well with not too much effort. Somewhere I have seen one with a strut shoot five straight sub-moa 5-shot groups. That's pretty good. I have never seen any AK shoot that.


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