Airsoft for training

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I'll admit I thought of airsoft guns as toys for kids who couldn't have real guns yet. However I have heard that some of the newer ones have pretty impressive accuracy and somewhat realistic action so I figured I'd try one to play with and possibly use in addition to dry fire training.
I chose a G26 from HFC (Ho Feng Corp) which is a gas-blowback gun. It is a semi auto that uses green gas to propel the bb and cycle the slide. I chose this because I often carry a g26.
I was surprised by the little thing. The external dimensions are very close and the gun fits my kydex carry holster (CTAC) so I can practice drawing as well. It holds 14 rounds and has decent accuracy at SD ranges (hits POA and is pretty consistent for what it is) and shoots those little plastic BBs with authority. The weight is in the same ballpark but is distributed a little different (lighter on top since the slide is plastic, but there is a metal slide available). The trigger is lighter but it's smooth which makes it harder to anticipate when it will fire, helping to reduce any flinching and concentrate on the sights. There's practically no recoil, just a little jump from the slide cycling and a quiet pop from the gas, about on par with a pellet gun.
Overall it's a nice way to practice drawing and shooting in your own home or garage with a gun that feels like your carry gun and gives instant feedback as to whether or not you are jerking the trigger. I'd recommend using shooting glasses because you wouldn't want to catch even a ricochet in the eye. I know those tokyo marui ones are probably better but I didn't want to spend a lot of money and wanted a semi auto I wouldn't have to cock for every shot. It's fun to be able to run mozambique drills on nights when you don't have time to go shoot your real gun.
Shown is the HFC g26 next to my real one. The target is a 8x11" sheet of paper shot rapid fire at 15'. Cost was $69 for the gun. With gas, bb's and shipping (3-day) it came out to just under $100. It's cheap to shoot also. I think the gas and BBs came to about $10 for 2000 rounds. If you are considering one, go for it! It's a lot of fun for not a lot of dough.

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They are very useful, you can setup targets in your house and target shoot for free any day you want (just cover stuff that will break easy).

I do recommend trying black bbs so that you can't see the pellets or walk them to the target.
 
I have a couple and use them all the time, both inside and out.

Their biggest advantage is force on force, which will open your eyes to how bad off you really are. If you stand still, you die.

They definitely help take your training to the next level, whether or not you like the results.
 
Many law enforcement agencies (from what I gather) either use them already or are looking into them for non-lethal force on force training.
High quality airsoft fires at about 328-350 fps and will leave a welt or bruise. Bruises can teach and bruises in training mean less blood in combat.

Jefferson
 
It's much better for force-on-force training than a .22 conversion with Aquila ammo. It always ends in tears that way.

(blatantly paraphrased from Tamara)
 
I'll admit I thought of airsoft guns as toys for kids who couldn't have real guns yet. However I have heard that some of the newer ones have pretty impressive accuracy and somewhat realistic action
I've got a Beretta 92 AS that is superbly accurate. I use it mainly to shoot pesky birds that are crapping on my vehicles. I'm sure it's not pleasant, but it does no permanent damage. And it works for a while. I rarely miss at distances of 40 ft or less.
 
My main issue with airsoft is that they don't make a decent gas XD, or a Security Six. :)

I wonder if it would be possible to make an airsoft conversion, like the .22 conversions. That would be one heck of a training tool...
 
Even the spring powered are effective in force on force. Two friends and I had some minor battles during the July 4th picinic. I picked up a 1911 style and some high speed pellets on the way there and had my P22 airsoft and Remington shotgun airsoft with me (along with my Blackhawk drop leg holster :) ) I learned that everything I know, as little as it is, puts me well ahead of people who don't know/don't practice. While on the move, I could score hits, used effective cover, and could aquire the sights and targets faster then my friends. In a remake of the classic three-way showdown, I sucessfully "dropped" one target with a shot to the neck (was aiming COM, oops) and then engaged the second with several shots, hitting shoulder and COM, but likely non-fatal hits.

I really need to get a CO2 powered one. Anyone make the M&P yet?

As for the Glock the OP has, if it weren't for the orange tip, the plastic would all look the same :p
 
What's the cheapest most reliabel place to order one from? I am hearing the KWA are the ones to get for a G19 model.

I'm not sure if it's the cheapest, but I got mine from airsplat.com. They have the KWA g19 here
I did a bunch of searching before buying and they seemed to have the best price I could find for a reputable company. That model you were referring to has a metal slide also :)

As for the Glock the OP has, if it weren't for the orange tip, the plastic would all look the same :p
Yep, they are both tupperware, one's just a lot louder :p

To the people that would like to see them in other models, email the manufacturers and let them know! I'm pretty sure they just pick which guns are popular and model airsofts after those (follow the money). XD's and M&P's are gaining popularity and considering they have the glock/beretta/HK/1911 ones already they are probably looking at what to do next. I think "tokyo marui" is the industry leader and others copy them so that would be a good place to start.

I'm gonna go now and let loose a few mags of BBs after I clean the 10/22 :)
 
Airsoft weapons? You can find anything you want, if you're willing to look hard enough...

Apparently, a variety of pictures showcasing the breadth and depth of the available gas-powered airsoft weapons tires out the scrolling fingers of the THR members. Therefore, I have removed the pictures of a small sampling of what's available. I am sorry to each person that got a blister on his or her right index finger from the massive chore that is scrolling past a bunch of informative pictures. For the future, might I suggest this key, available on any keyboard....

pgdn.GIF


Should you be in the market for an airsoft replica weapon, I highly suggest my friends at Red Wolf Airsoft. Located in Hong Kong, they are the premier international dealer for airsoft, and are wonderful people. I have visited their shop on 3 occassions now, and have ordered 12 weapons from them over the last 8 years or so. Their shipping, customer service, selection, and support are all first rate.
 
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Their value as a training tool lies in their use in force on force. After going through all the live fire training the refinement of training requires force on force. To do this "safely" wax "bullets", Simunitions or Airsoft can be used. Airsoft is the safest of the three providing the greatest variety of platforms to train with (almost assuring that your personal carry weapon has a replica) with the lowest cost. Safety equipment can be as little as a pair of goggles and ear protection. Make no mistake though, they will break skin at contact distances if you're hit on exposed soft hide.

We use the KWAs in our twice a year seminars here in TN and I use them year round.
 
I was considering buying a KWA G19 for FoF. This thread has completely convinced me. Gonna talk to a few friends and see if they are too, otherwise it wouldn't help having it and noone to train with :p
 
They work well even without a partner. You can shoot and practice by yourself in and around the house. Its more dangerous though, but the danger comes from the old lady finding all those little balls on the floor, especially with her feet, or broken nick naks with the evidence right there. :D
 
BlisteringSilence, could you maybe edit some of those images out? Even on a 1280x1024 screen, it takes a rather long time to scroll past all that.
 
BlisteringSilence, could you maybe edit some of those images out? Even on a 1280x1024 screen, it takes a rather long time to scroll past all that.

definitely overkill on the cut-and-paste image quantity

A link to the vendor is more appropriate.

Better yet, would be a concise review of each of those guns - although I think it is safe to assume that you have not handled, let alone field-tested, each of those guns.
 
Better yet, would be a concise review of each of those guns - although I think it is safe to assume that you have not handled, let alone field-tested, each of those guns.

I have handled and fired hundreds upon hundreds of Airsoft weapons. Many of them are no longer available. It would be impossible for me to do a concise review of each weapon I have held and fired. The sport of airsoft is condusive to test firing your weapons in the shop that sells them. As I have been to RedWolf 3 times now, and they are regarded as having the greatest variety, I would wager I've held more airsoft weapons than anyone else on this board.

If there is a specific weapon you have questions about, I would be more than happy to answer them.
 
How can you use airsoft for "training" for target practice and sporting?
 
I bought an airsoft SIG P226 at 16yo to teach myself handgun safety and the 4 rules. Worked great. *gives himself a pat on the back*
 
I have been considering getting one of the co2 blowback ones to practice with, my main concern though is the noise. Will i be able to shoot it in my apartment without the neighbors hearing it and complaining? Also, will the BB's damage walls or break glass?
 
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