Alcohol and CCW?

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Does anybody go out to dinner with CCW and have a drink or two with their meal? I'm not planning on hitting the bars and get wasted with a weapon because that's just plain old stupidity, but I do enjoy my wine with a good meal :D Any thoughts? Concerns? Comments?
 
Laws about this vary from state to state. Idaho has the same law for CCW as DUI (.08 is the legal limit).

I personally will have a drink and carry, but not multiple drinks. As my sig line indicates, what I tend to like isn't cheap, and it's not exactly ideal for guzzling, anyway.:D

(Stand by for the posts from people who will lecture you about alcohol as if they either have never had a beer in their lives, or are addicts who have never had fewer than 10 drinks at a time, but either way, don't know anything about regular grownups who might have a drink with dinner.)
 
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OH NO! Please don't walk us down this again! This thread gets locked every time it comes up.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=479228
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477743


Ok, well not every time:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=467218
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=459116

Many here agree with you wholeheartedly. (And I'm one of them.) Many here will disagree with you completely. Some here will call you names and get quite nasty about it.

In the end, even if we manage to keep it civil, mostly, it generally ends up locked.

Read through the threads and you'll have heard all that can be said on the subject.

-Sam
 
I don't carry, but my personally-imposed limit is one beer if I expect to be handling a gun any time for the rest of the day. (I think that is more than cautious enough, but one is just as easy number to remember as zero; two might not be :) )

State laws will vary on what's legal with regards to alcohol and CCW and even OC.
 
Hope springs eternal, Sam1911.:D

Maybe we can have a discussion among reasonable adults this time...

Maybe.
 
I've never been frisked when entering, patronizing, or upon leaving a restaurant.

I don't go in restaurants that double as "party-crowd gathering spots" though...

Les
 
Well...I thought we did last time, in fact it was a VERY well argued and civil conversation, but still it ended thus:

A Moderator said:
Whether or not you can handle your liquor and a gun is beside the point. So far as I know, carrying a gun while drinking is prohibited in many places. THR cannot condone or allow discussions that involve violating the law.
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-Sam
 
Whoa. lol. Didn't know this would open up a big can of worms lol. Just wanted to see what everyone thought.
 
Les said:
I've never been frisked when entering, patronizing, or upon leaving a restaurant.
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Les,
I see your point, and I feel for your sentiments on the subject, but your location is listed as NC and NC law says:

NC State Law said:
§ 14‑269.3. Carrying weapons into assemblies and establishments where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(b) This section shall not apply to the following:

(1) A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269;

(2) The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment;

(3) A person participating in the event, if he is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event; and

(4) A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event. (1977, c. 1016, s. 1; 1981, c. 412, s. 4, c. 747, s. 66; 1993, c. 539, s. 165; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
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These conversations should not touch on, nor encourage the breaking of a state law. If the law says "no," DON'T. Work to change the law, or stay out of the bars.

Illegal activity is NOT "High Road."

-Sam
 
Who is "A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269" ? Sometimes you have to follow a few rabbit trails to understand what the law *really* says.
 
Who is "A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269"
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I'm not an expert in NC State law (or even a resident) but I was able to find this, which might help explain:

The following categories of persons are exempt from the restriction of North Carolina's concealed weapons laws.
(1) Officers and enlisted personnel of the armed forces of the United States when in the discharge of their official duties as such and when acting under orders requiring them to carry arms and weapons;
(2) Civil and law enforcement officers of the United States while in the discharge of their official duties;
(3) Officers and soldiers of the Militia and the National Guard when called to actual service;
(4) Officers of the State, or of any county, city, or town, charged with the execution of the laws of the State, when acting in the discharge of their official duties;
(5) Sworn law enforcement officers, when off duty, if:
a. written regulations authorizing the carrying of concealed weapons have been filed with the Clerk of Superior Court in the county where the law enforcement unit is located by the Sheriff or Chief of Police or other superior officer in charge;
and
b. such regulations specifically prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons while the officer is consuming or under the influence of alcoholic beverages.
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-Sam
 
i don't drink, anyway, but i don't think that anyone who's a responsible drinker should be barred from carrying a gun whle drinking.

excuse me, now, while i put my gun away; i'm gonna smoke some meth.
 
I would have a glass or wine at a nice resturant with the misses, but I would not carry into a bar with the guys where we would be setting up shots and downing pitchers of beer. The latter is illegal in my home state anyway.
 
Never saw it either when the drunk got into his car to go out and play with others lives.
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See? Here it goes. Carrying a gun in a holster for defensive use in the extreme moment of need -- while out for dinner and drinks -- is the same thing as operating a motor vehicle while drunk. You're "playing with people's lives!"

Or that's the implication made, if not actually said right out in the open.

:rolleyes:

-Sam
 
Why are there *so many* threads about alcohol lately? They are popping up like dandelions in the spring. It's almost as bad as all the "Taurus sucks Y/N" polls. ;)
 
BTW I also use the same rule for CCW as I do for driving, which is, if I have to wonder whether I'm okay to drive, then I don't. The same goes for being sleepy, etc.
 
I don't have a problem with responsible, adult conversation about this subject. After all, laws vary. In Colorado, there are no prohibitions on carrying into a bar or a restaurant that serves alcohol.
 
You cannot carry concealed into a restaurant that serves alcohol in my state. Doug Wilder banned CCW back in the 1990's in restaurants. You now have to carry in the open when dining at Applebees or the local steakhouse. Some places are cool about it but others will ask you to leave or leave the gun outside. Then there are the panic stricken diners that call 911 because you have a gun on your hip and a pizza in front of you. Oh...the horror.
Anyway....no guns and drinking....ever.
It makes all gun owners look bad.
 
I don't agree with going to a "bar" with a CCW but just a drink or two with dinner while you possess a weapon I think is fine. As long as you are responsible and use your head.
 
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