almost sold a gun to a BAD BOY THUG last night
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TexasRifleman
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But when you invite them to your house they get to see ALL the stuff they can possibly come back and steal later.
It's work to chase down an address from a plate #, crooks tend to like to avoid work.
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CHEVELLE427
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all good advice, one good thing about FL we have the castle doctorn law (not sure of the spelling) now, we dont have to run away we can stand our ground at home and away. now if they go to the dead end and have to come back my way the threat has not went away yet, i agree if there on the way out IM not going to jump in the truck and go chase them.
Bushwhacker
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I have sold several firearms and NEVER have anyone meet at my house....always meet somewhere where there are other people around. But not to many. Don't want to freak the sheeple out!
Once had a guy that was going to sell me a pistol and before I even pulled the money out I asked if he had a BOS? He told me he doesn't do BOS's I told him thanks, but no deal.
I had the serial number and had a friend that is with the local PD run the number and found it was stolen, still had the guy's information and gave it to my friend who set up a buy with the guy, he's now doing 20 to life.....been convicted 4 times.........habitual offender.
Once had a guy that was going to sell me a pistol and before I even pulled the money out I asked if he had a BOS? He told me he doesn't do BOS's I told him thanks, but no deal.
I had the serial number and had a friend that is with the local PD run the number and found it was stolen, still had the guy's information and gave it to my friend who set up a buy with the guy, he's now doing 20 to life.....been convicted 4 times.........habitual offender.
What is he going to do with that? Stroll into the local PD and ask them to run it and give him the address? I guess he could spend days to years driving around looking for the plate. But as far as I know only a person with access to a DMV/PD computer can access any information that would be useful.
TexasRifleman
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Well, it's down to Internet lawyering with that one. There are many cases where it's OK to use deadly force against a criminal who is trying to escape. Varies by state but it's incorrect to say you can never shoot a felon who is fleeing.
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CHEVELLE427
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no didnt say id shoot even if he was running away i said if he had
TO COME BACK BY ME ON THE WAY OUT the threat is not over yet
TO COME BACK BY ME ON THE WAY OUT the threat is not over yet
bogie
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Sounds like you need better friends, if this is the kind of person who you are doing "friend to friend" transfers with.
Seriously... If you do not know the person, the person is not a friend. So don't get all righteous, and say that it is your right to call it a "friend to friend" transfer. You do enough of these "friend to friend" things, and that's called "dealing without a license." Which means you might get a new close friend, for the next 10 years or so.
Seriously... If you do not know the person, the person is not a friend. So don't get all righteous, and say that it is your right to call it a "friend to friend" transfer. You do enough of these "friend to friend" things, and that's called "dealing without a license." Which means you might get a new close friend, for the next 10 years or so.
NonConformist
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Ive done several FTF, and most were members of well known gun boards whod been around for a while
Plus I go on gut instinct when I meet them, if they seem shady no deal, otherwise OK
Plus I go on gut instinct when I meet them, if they seem shady no deal, otherwise OK
armoredman
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Wanna really know how many felons have access/can hack/have friends that work for DMV? Yes, they can, with a little effort. Most normal gangbangers won't, interferes with drug use/sale/etc., but if he feels you really "dissed" him, he may try.
And if that's what I had said I'd be agreeing with you right now 100% but I didn't say one could never shoot a fleeing felon. I said:TexasRifleman said:
and that one's right to shoot in an SD situation is limited. You'd agree with that wouldn't you?Werewolf said:
If the fleeing felon could conceivably turn and shoot you while fleeing then the threat of lethal force still exists. There's an Alaska case where a man did exactly that - shoot an armed robber in the back while he was fleeing; jury found the guy not guilty (AK, not FL which is heavily populated with snow birds - not sure the judgement would have turned out quite the same there). However, that wasn't the situation the OP opined. He stated he'd be shooting the thug's car as it left the dead end street the OP lives on. Odds are at that point the threat of lethal force is gone and shooting that fleeing felon could get one in serious trouble.
There's lots of variables in the situation in which the OP has found himself which is why I advised him to:
Werewolf said:
It is most unjust that the law is such that law abiding citizen's hands are tied re: self defense, when they find them selves in a situation where there is an extreme likelihood that some animal is going to come after them. But that's the law and as much as we may not like it if one doesn't follow it one may find themselves keeping bubba company in the bridal suite of a state run facility.
chupacabrah
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I thought FTF was "Face To Face"?
TexasRifleman
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Not sure about Florida law where the OP is but no, I would not agree that your right to shoot ends at that point in all cases.
Again, not in all states. There are cases where that would be OK under statute in some states, not sure on Florida. I'd agree that getting legal advice on the point is a good idea however. From a practical standpoint if you shoot at someone fleeing you're likely to need a lawyer anyway but that doesn't mean it's against the law, just not a good idea necessarily. It's probably just because I live in Texas, since we have that whole protection of property thing that changes things drastically. As you say, still gonna need a lawyer
What you get into in a case like this, and you are right that it's likely to end up in court, is that just because the guy is driving away doesn't mean that he's abandoned the encounter. He may simply be moving position. This idea of "shooting them in the back" always being bad could get you killed if they are simply running away to find a better position from which to continue the attack, as you mentioned.
And, in the OPs case here, he's in a rather unusual but favorable situation. Normally the fact that the guy is a 3 time felon known for drive-by's would be information that could not be used later in a self defense case because it would be hard to prove he had prior knowledge of the guys criminal past. In this case he was specifically told by LE that the guy was a 3 time felon known for drive-by's. I'd think that having that knowledge would play into how you deal with a guy like that. Knowing that ahead of time possibly, and again it's lawyer time, gives you some leeway in how you react to an attack by a guy like that.
VARifleman
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Werewolf, you need to read Chevelle posts again as he said that he lives on a dead end street, but it seems he does not live on the END of that dead end street, but somewhere in the middle. The car would pass by again.
Phydeaux642
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Wow! This whole thread just reinforces my policy stated in post #2.
csaws
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Dude I'm with you....
chupacabrah
I thought FTF was "Face To Face"?
chupacabrah
I thought FTF was "Face To Face"?
mgregg85
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Excellent advice, also let some family or friends know where you are going and what you are going to do and tell them who the guy/girl is if you know.
Phydeaux642 That works great if you only sell to your friends, never once has anything gone wrong but this area I live in is getting worse almost daily. Not every situation calls for measures like that, but almost every pistol sale works out like that. People just dont sound too good on the phone these days. Some times they turn out to be ok folks some times you get a car load of gangsters(examples only in this case) like in the OP. There is nothing wrong with the ways any one has posted. Ultimately the best way is to run it through a FFl but some shy away for obvous reasons others for the added cost of paper work.
Just because the criminal is listed as a member on The High Road doesn't give him any credibility. I'm absolutely sure no one ran a background check or even looked at my ID when I signed up here.
People looking to do illegal stuff typically check out what's offered online FIRST.
People looking to do illegal stuff typically check out what's offered online FIRST.
jakemccoy
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This is why you have your guns...good luck to you.
230RN
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chupacabrah said, and csaws seconded it:
Me, too. Where'd this "friend" stuff come from in your Post # 33, Bogie?
Is that some kind of a law in your state or something? Or are you just emphasizing that the safe thing is to sell only to folks you know?
As far as I know, FTF means a Face To Face sale with anyone (not otherwise prohibited), regardless of whether s/he is a "friend" or not.
This whole thread is kind of on the "shoulder" of The High Road.
230RN said that.
Me, too. Where'd this "friend" stuff come from in your Post # 33, Bogie?
Is that some kind of a law in your state or something? Or are you just emphasizing that the safe thing is to sell only to folks you know?
As far as I know, FTF means a Face To Face sale with anyone (not otherwise prohibited), regardless of whether s/he is a "friend" or not.
This whole thread is kind of on the "shoulder" of The High Road.
230RN said that.
I wouldn't ask the daughter to bring anything to the house, I would ask her to keep away for a while.
Aguila Blanca
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There is a difference between "not retreating" and "advancing." If the bad guy does a nocturnal drive-by and the OP is inside the house, he doesn't have to run (or low crawl) out the back door before he's allowed to shoot at someone breaking in the door.
However, that's different from going out the front door, or setting up in the front window, to shoot at the vehicle as it comes back up the cul-de-sac.
I don't think passes muster even in a state with no duty to retreat.
However, that's different from going out the front door, or setting up in the front window, to shoot at the vehicle as it comes back up the cul-de-sac.
I don't think passes muster even in a state with no duty to retreat.
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