Umm- you don't really believe a parking lot confers anonymity, do you? All the guy has to do is get a plate #
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Originally Posted by CHEVELLE427
DA better do it coming out of the neighborhood as i live on a dead end st. if they try something on the way in they will be sprayed back on the way out
You better think real hard about that. Your right to shoot ends when your life or the life of those you are defending is no longer in danger. You start poppin' rounds off at a car headin' out of your area and FL or not there's a good chance you'll be keepin' bad boy company in the FL State Hotel. As a citizen you're allowed to defend yourself and others when faced with lethal force. That's it. You aren't allowed (unfortunately IMO) to take preemptive action. You aren't allowed to use lethal force once the threat has left or is leaving the area.
2nd off you need to be real careful about what you say on the internet. If bad boy does come back and you do plug him a smart DA could make a case for you ambushing the thug based on the comments full of bravado you've made right here on THR. Again your right to shoot is limited and you've just informed the world you'll shoot the guy even if he's running away. Not a stretch to imagine and easy to put into a jury's mind that you were laying in wait.
3rd - I'm 56 years old - been around the world and met all types of folk ranging from saintly to pure evil, talkers to doers. It's been my experience that those that talk about it don't do it and those that do it don't usually talk about it. Sometimes silence really is golden.
4th - If you really feel you and yours are facing a life threatening scenario spend $50 for a consult and go talk to a lawyer familiar with the law of self defense and find out exactly what you can and cannot do to protect yourself. Put him on retainer. Do what he says.
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What is he going to do with that? Stroll into the local PD and ask them to run it and give him the address? I guess he could spend days to years driving around looking for the plate. But as far as I know only a person with access to a DMV/PD computer can access any information that would be useful.All the guy has to do is get a plate #.
Again your right to shoot is limited and you've just informed the world you'll shoot the guy even if he's running away. Not a stretch to imagine and easy to put into a jury's mind that you were laying in wait.
Wanna really know how many felons have access/can hack/have friends that work for DMV? Yes, they can, with a little effort. Most normal gangbangers won't, interferes with drug use/sale/etc., but if he feels you really "dissed" him, he may try.What is he going to do with that? Stroll into the local PD and ask them to run it and give him the address? I guess he could spend days to years driving around looking for the plate. But as far as I know only a person with access to a DMV/PD computer can access any information that would be useful.
And if that's what I had said I'd be agreeing with you right now 100% but I didn't say one could never shoot a fleeing felon. I said:TexasRifleman said:... There are many cases where it's OK to use deadly force against a criminal who is trying to escape. Varies by state but it's incorrect to say you can never shoot a felon who is fleeing.Werewolf said:Again your right to shoot is limited and you've just informed the world you'll shoot the guy even if he's running away. Not a stretch to imagine and easy to put into a jury's mind that you were laying in wait.
and that one's right to shoot in an SD situation is limited. You'd agree with that wouldn't you?Werewolf said:Your right to shoot ends when your life or the life of those you are defending is no longer in danger.
Werewolf said:spend $50 for a consult and go talk to a lawyer familiar with the law of self defense and find out exactly what you can and cannot do to protect yourself. Put him on retainer. Do what he says.
Sounds like you need better friends, if this is the kind of person who you are doing "friend to friend" transfers with.
"Your right to shoot ends when your life or the life of those you are defending is no longer in danger."
and that one's right to shoot in an SD situation is limited. You'd agree with that wouldn't you?
He stated he'd be shooting the thug's car as it left the dead end street the OP lives on. Odds are at that point the threat of lethal force is gone and shooting that fleeing felon could get one in serious trouble.
Shady folks are every where, some are good at it others are not. I have a friend and we do business all the time. In the past we have bought and sold numberous guns. When either one of us sells FTF one will cover the other. For example last time he sold a gun a Bersa 9mm he got a bunch of "I needs a gat" calls bun no firm sales pitch. Then finaly some gangster like dude wants to see and buy the gun, he set up the place and time, gives me a call. We meet about an hour before hand he calls the guy and says meet me at X grocery store parking lot in an hour. I pack my pistol and a rifle in the front of my truck and go park. HE packs his CCW of choice and sets up in a open area where I can plainly see the action but with in 50 yards. Car pulls up they both get out and stay in plain view I observe for any ill intentions sale gets completed they leave I leave a few minutes later. If anything were to go wrong there is an extra gun and more importantly a witness. Not every sale needs this kind of "security" but some certianly warent it.
And this is why you NEVER meet at your home to sell anything.
Wal Mart parking lots are good, Starbucks, Home Depot......very public areas.
Phydeaux642 That works great if you only sell to your friends, never once has anything gone wrong but this area I live in is getting worse almost daily. Not every situation calls for measures like that, but almost every pistol sale works out like that. People just dont sound too good on the phone these days. Some times they turn out to be ok folks some times you get a car load of gangsters(examples only in this case) like in the OP. There is nothing wrong with the ways any one has posted. Ultimately the best way is to run it through a FFl but some shy away for obvous reasons others for the added cost of paper work.Wow! This whole thread just reinforces my policy stated in post #2.
I thought FTF was "Face To Face"?
What is he going to do with that? Stroll into the local PD and ask them to run it and give him the address? I guess he could spend days to years driving around looking for the plate. But as far as I know only a person with access to a DMV/PD computer can access any information that would be useful.