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Nope it doesn't bother me,haters will always come up with some BS code words. Just the times we live in, these days.
 
OP, do you live in a state that mandates background checks? I do (thank you, Initiative I-594), and not only that, our major gun shows, sponsored by the Washington Arms Collectors (WAC) also require that one must be a member (have to pass a background check for that) to buy or sell firearms.

So yeah, when the Seattle media spouts drivel about "gun show loopholes" (or refers to internet gun sales, which thanks to 594 must pass through an FFL with an NICS check), I'm sure there's a rise in my blood pressure .... I don't get "spastic" but it's surely annoying that the media does more research about high school football teams or celebrity relationships than it does anything firearms related, especially state and federal laws ...
 
The terms are used to make the uninformed non gun owners to believe the all sales at gun shows and on the internet do not require a back ground check. My sister was one of those until I offered to pay for such a gun that she ordered off the internet and had delivered to her home and give her five hundred bucks if she were successful.
She said she tried and gave up the endeavor after spending three hours trying to order one.
 
"loophole really means legal."

Lerner's defines it as
": an error in the way a law, rule, or contract is written that makes it possible for some people to legally avoid obeying it"

There are a number of other definitions which are even worse, taking the perspective that a loophole in the law is simply an oversight in controlling our behavior.

Rather than argue that point with antigunners, I'd rather compare it to other much more egregious loopholes, like, say, Congress not being forced to participate in Social Security. But I'm going to avoid mentioning I don't have to participate in Obamacare - retired DOD has their own medical plan which has no premiums.

Loopholes, loopholes everywhere.

We all enjoy some, they are written in gun laws, too. CCW in MO? You can not only carry whatever legal pistol you choose - up to and including a .458 SOCOM AR pistol, you can carry it openly, along with a dagger and switchblade. We enjoys some pretty liberal loopholes compared to NY.

For every law there is a loophole and it's in our best interest to be the ones deciding them.
 
I do get a little worked up when I hear reporters talk about “buying a gun off the internet”, because you still have to go through a FFL for that.

But I don’t mind the gunshow thing, because technically you can sometimes still find private sellers at gunshows. And if they only knew how easy it is to pick something up off Armslist…
 
Illinois law even requires person to person sales to have a background check. Online state police site where you enter foid and birth date of buyer and you get an ok if the food is valid and a transaction number for your records.
Don't know if they have ever enforced it and think charges are misdemeanor status. No real loopholes here. Supposed to wait 24 or 72 hours to deliver after the check also.
 
The terms are used to make the uninformed non gun owners to believe the all sales at gun shows and on the internet do not require a back ground check.

Yep.

My sister was one of those until I offered to pay for such a gun that she ordered off the internet and had delivered to her home and give her five hundred bucks if she were successful.
She said she tried and gave up the endeavor after spending three hours trying to order one.

Well done. :)
 
The uninformed and ignorant trying to educate the uninformed and ignorant.
Does not look like that has worked out very well for the anti`s.
 
"...They are made up terms..." Lotta the anti-firearm gang's terms are made up. Assault rifle, cop killer bullet, LEO Only, among others. We've had stupid laws up here since 1978 requiring a permit to buy that was supposed to end crimes with firearms forever. The guy who shot up the École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989 had legally purchased firearms. Law abiding shooters are still being punished for that one.
 
To be fair. In most states a fair number of guns are sold at gunshows with no background check. To my knowledge there are only a handful of states that require a background check in FTF transactions. When I 1st started going to gunshows there was no background check. And for a while after background checks became required most tables at gunshows were operated by dealers required to do them.

The last few shows I've attended over 50% of the tables were ran by private citizens selling collections. They have no way to perform background checks if they wanted to. And those guys were selling more guns than the dealers.
 
"Internet gun sales" isn't a made up or inflammatory term. It's a factual description of a transaction, and one used by the ATF. What you have to watch for and counter are their statements that "Anyone can order a gun on the internet". While true, it is an intellectually dishonest implication. Yes, anyone can order one, but not just anyone can receive it. All (not "some" or "most") internet orders must transfer through an FFL on a form 4473. Just be sure to clarify that, while yes, anyone can place the order, they'd have to be of age and pass a background check to take possession. Make sure that the uninformed audience understands that the gun will not ship to the doorstep of the end user (unless said end user is an FFL), that the process is the same as buying locally, except that the firearm was paid for online.

You can also expound on that and really put them in their place by telling them the only way a non-licensee can receive a firearm to their doorstep is if they already owned said firearm and it is being returned after repairs, or they mailed it to themselves from another location for some reason. Though technically you could mail a firearm legally to a resident of the same state in a private party transaction, I have never heard of a private sale being conducted that way, it would be legally risky (reasonably believe language regarding buyer's eligibility), and I don't think the anti gunners are generally savvy enough with navigating the statutes and interpreting ATF FAQs to figure that one out, so best to not muddy the waters with it.
 
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I never considered the idea that states would have different requirements for ptp sales. I have lived most of my life In two states which are very similar legally.
And, sadly, there are some who wish to change that so all states will have the same "requirements".
And not in a good way, at to those of us who are pro Gun Rights...
 
In most states a fair number of guns are sold at gunshows with no background check.

Yes. And in many states you can sell any of your personal property, including your the ground you own, a house on it, your car, a Rolex watch, a cell phone, etc with no requirement to secure government sanctioned approval for the sale.

When guns are put on the table, tho, OMG YOU NEED TO GET THAT APPROVED! The ugly reality is - criminals don't. Their guns aren't approved sales, they are in fact illegal transactions in many cases, and often use guns that were illegally obtained, ie, stolen.

So, the question arises, why do I need government approval to sell a firearm when I don't for any of the rest of my property, and how does that effectively stop criminals from purchasing firearms contrary to law? It most clearly does NOT. There is in point of fact an abundant trade in stolen firearms where gun possession is restricted, and there is in point of fact seriously reduced or non existent enforcement by the police in those areas to reduce those sales.

We have the oh so touchy feely "we need to do something" laws on the one hand, and the brutal results on the other. Pointing out that free citizens are still able to dispose of their property absent government oversight is where the wrong focus is placed, as if it's a bad thing. Do not forget that if the government is given power to exert control over one type of property, it's basically giving them control over ALL of it eventually. As Australia and Great Britain have so amply demonstrated.

No, citizen, you can't carry that Victorinox into the office, you might use it to stab your coworkers and commit mass murder. It's already a typical school safety policy, and it implies that possession is intent. Like, bumpstocks.

You won't like the future when that becomes a common perspective.

Work to keep the right to dispose of your property face to face or lose your right completely in the long run. How do some of us older guys know? Well, we lived in a time where you could purchase firearms thru the mail and delivered to your home.

Pepperidge Farms remembers . . .
 
Words have meaning. This is the reason so many words are available for use. If they mean to say something, they should use the correct words. Failure or unwillingness to do so will get anyone called out and made to look foolish.
 
I get spastic when I hear the antis use the two terms gun show loophole and internet gun sales. They are both just code words to dodge saying person to person sales. They are made up terms. Most internet sales pass through an ffl as do gunshow purchases. Rant over.

Not most internet sales: ALL internet sales.....
 
I bought a rifle on an auction site. When I emailed to find where to send the check, it was Eau Gallie.

Well heck, that's over by Canaveral. Florida. I'm in Florida. Intrastate sale. No FFL required.

I sent him a check, he mailed it to my house. Perfectly legal.

So, no, ALL internet sales don't go through an FFL.
 
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