Ira Aten said:
Had they known their sufferings and sacrifices of them, and of their families would ultimately result in a country whose current crop of Political Heros would; Bar the excercise of religion in any public place;
I don't know I would agree. Given some of the commentary of the founders on religion, I can see where they might be less sympathetic than you think. For example:
"The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. " - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." - The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)
""During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison, letter to William Bradford April 1, 1774
Bar the right to assembly, along with free speech;
You mean like the
Alien and Sedition Acts that were passed in 1798 and did just that? These laws made our modern day complaints about freedom of speech look tame by comparison.
Con us as a People out of the guarantee of public trials overseen by juries, in exchange for a plea bargaining system decided upon solely by a single government employee in cases of repeat child killer/rapists)
The guarantee of a trial by jury is made to the INDIVIDUAL facing trial. Any of the people who ask for a plea bargain have the alternative to request a trial by jury instead. The guarantee of trial is not a guarantee to those of us not on trial that all defendants will face a jury trial and it never has been. As to plea bargaining,
it is mostly a 19th century invention that has its roots in American law around the time of the founding fathers.
I find it hard to imagine men like Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, et al, exposing themselves to nineteen year old interns or drunkenly driving off bridges and staggering home drunk leaving a young female intern trapped underneath their carriage to drown, and the voters re-electing them to a public office.
Actually Franklin
had quite a reputation with the ladies even after marriage and I am sure that the guy who wrote "Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy" probably has a few drunken espisodes to his credit, even if they haven't sunk to Teddy Kennedy levels. Franklin wasn't alone among the founders either...
I doubt very much they would be pleased with sacrificing all they had for a country full of people more interested in who wins some nationwide TV talent competition show than they are in making it mandatory their Political Heros act somewhat better than a bunch of "Animal House" fraternity brothers.
We pretty much agree here. I doubt that any of them despite their faults would be impressed to see the degree of apathy the citizens of the United States have developed with regard to their own government. It amazes me to see higher voter turnout for elections where voting meant stopping work (no pay), riding for several days on a horse to the county seat and staying in an inn for a few days (expense) just to exercise the right.
Despite all that, the founding fathers were men just like the rest of us and there were flaws, scandals, and events that we have largely forgotten.
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