seeker_two
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kludge said:
Those in our government have....the average citizen isn't even getting the pottage...
Sometimes I wonder...if the FF could see what our nation has become today, would they have continued to fight against King George?
American Revolution - how did the Founders survive?
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Those in our government have....the average citizen isn't even getting the pottage...
Sometimes I wonder...if the FF could see what our nation has become today, would they have continued to fight against King George?
sparx
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+1.
History was my poorest subject in HS as it was nothing but memorization of dates and their corresponding events, with extremely little "life" or "tales of..." thrown in.
If only the Discovery or History channels were around back then, I'm sure I would have made better grades, but I feel that history classes should have a balance between "rote memorization of facts" and good old-fashioned non-fiction "story telling" as well. At least I feel I would have found the classes to more interesting (captivating) and know I would have learned more and scored better as a result.
CNYCacher
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Oh, puh-leeeze
The idea of comparing the terrorists running rampant in Iraq to revolutionists in early America is so misguided, it's saddening.
The people fighting the revolutionary war were fighting for their own freedom against an oppressive government who had no real claim over them in the first place. They were fighting FOR themselves and FOR their countrymen who couldn't or wouldn't fight, to try to give power to the people, setting up a new government to empower the people.
The freaks over in Iraq, are killing their own countrymen to try to take advantage of the current political instability to install themselves into a position of power through terrorist acts. They are trying to disrupt a process of setting up a new government for the people. They are trying to prevent Iraq from becoming free, and instead trying to make themselves into a new oppressive government.
Freddymac said:
The idea of comparing the terrorists running rampant in Iraq to revolutionists in early America is so misguided, it's saddening.
The people fighting the revolutionary war were fighting for their own freedom against an oppressive government who had no real claim over them in the first place. They were fighting FOR themselves and FOR their countrymen who couldn't or wouldn't fight, to try to give power to the people, setting up a new government to empower the people.
The freaks over in Iraq, are killing their own countrymen to try to take advantage of the current political instability to install themselves into a position of power through terrorist acts. They are trying to disrupt a process of setting up a new government for the people. They are trying to prevent Iraq from becoming free, and instead trying to make themselves into a new oppressive government.
You misunderstood my post
I was pointing out that it is hard to win a war when you play by the rules and the other side does not. I was not likening the terrorists with the founders! I was just trying to illustrate a point- nothing more, nothing less.
I was pointing out that it is hard to win a war when you play by the rules and the other side does not. I was not likening the terrorists with the founders! I was just trying to illustrate a point- nothing more, nothing less.
The History Channel is airing a series called "The Revolution" on Sunday nights that may be of interest to some on this thread. It is a chronical relation of the events of the American Revolution.
There have been two episodes so far, and the show is well done.
Very interesting to me, as I am also reading 1776 by David McCullough.
Sawdust
There have been two episodes so far, and the show is well done.
Very interesting to me, as I am also reading 1776 by David McCullough.
Sawdust
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My apologies
I heard someone on the radio make that analogy recently, and so I jumped to conclusions. My apologies.
Freddymac said:
I heard someone on the radio make that analogy recently, and so I jumped to conclusions. My apologies.
What about the one third of Americans who actively fought for the British, and the other third who just wished both sides would just leave them alone?
It has been described as 'The First American Civil War'.
No doubt those who signed the Declaration would have paid the price if they had lost, as did the surviving regicides who signed Charles I's death warrant.
Kamicosmos
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Yup. The Revolution was also one of the first 'world wars' when Germany and France got involved.
Note quite......
Hardly.
Germany did not even EXIST, still less get "involved." Germany would not exist for another century, when Prussian Prince Wilhelm was crowned in the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles as Kaiser Wilhelm I, concluding the Franco-Prussian War.
Moreover, the Hessians you obliquely refer to were mere mercenaries whose services were leased to the British by their cash-poor ruler. Hardly an alliance.
France WAS an ally, as anything which bled British forces away in the colonies aided its actions on the continent and the Caribbean. Think of the French support as a sort of "proxie war," like the Chinese using the Koreans and Viet Namese.
Early "world wars?" The coalition against the French revolution generally and Napoleon particularly comes to mind. Russia, Prussia and Britain, among others.
Hardly.
Germany did not even EXIST, still less get "involved." Germany would not exist for another century, when Prussian Prince Wilhelm was crowned in the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles as Kaiser Wilhelm I, concluding the Franco-Prussian War.
Moreover, the Hessians you obliquely refer to were mere mercenaries whose services were leased to the British by their cash-poor ruler. Hardly an alliance.
France WAS an ally, as anything which bled British forces away in the colonies aided its actions on the continent and the Caribbean. Think of the French support as a sort of "proxie war," like the Chinese using the Koreans and Viet Namese.
Early "world wars?" The coalition against the French revolution generally and Napoleon particularly comes to mind. Russia, Prussia and Britain, among others.
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lance22
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When I look at how much the signers of the Declaration sacrificed, I am ashamed for the Kennedy's, Metznbaums, Schumers, Clinton's, Moores, Fienstiens that litter our nation with their treason.
In 1775 the Brittish tried to disarm the citizens of Concord. Did they surrender arms? Was there a fight? Why do Schumer and Obama propose what the Founding Fathers fought against?
In 1775 the Brittish tried to disarm the citizens of Concord. Did they surrender arms? Was there a fight? Why do Schumer and Obama propose what the Founding Fathers fought against?
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