"America's Gun Culture Must Change"

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I am at the point where I think college is no longer a place of enlightenment just job training.

SoCalShooter, you and my son would get along. He is doing his student teaching now in WA state and can't believe the liberal tripe that some of his Profs at WSU spew. He is a shooter and a solid 2A advocate. There is hope for the educational system yet!;)
 
"So, by your estimation he entered college 2-3 years before most students graduate from high school? Did his writing impress you so much that you think he's an academic prodigy?"


Why not?

Most college students enter at 18 and graduate at 21 (on average). I entered at 17 myself...

Of all the things in the world to ask. Stay on topic.
 
I tried to post this comment there. Don't know if it went through or not.

This is just sad on so many levels. Mr. Donnelly's arguments for his position and the understanding of the issues he brings up are sophomoric, simplistic, flawed, uninformed, and bigoted.

This childish level of journalism would be expected in a middle school publication. What's Mr. Donnelly's excuse?
 
This guy is an idiot.

Why don't we stop insulting the man and invite him here instead?

Isn't that the way of The High Road?

I'll send him an invitation to this thread right now. If he reads it and if he registers so that he may respond here, then we can educate him. Nicely. No name-calling, no childish, "grow up" type rebuttals.

Sound good?
 
A man is not an idiot for having an opinion.

I don't agree with a thing the mans ays, but he's still entitled to his opinions--logical or otherwise.
 
Hi Chris, I wanted to just address a couple points quickly from your
article. First you speak of the poor defenseless animals being killed by
hunters. I have to say first I'm not a hunter at all. It doesn't sound
like a sport I would enjoy and I prefer my meat to come wrapped on a nice
piece of styrofoam. But when you consider the cruelty of an animal being
shot, also consider the cruelty of a population that grows out of control
with animals starving. Certainly in a Disney world all the animals would
live happy lives if we didn't intrude but I don't think you're giving
credit to some of the reasons people hunt as being positives for the
animal population.

Next up you say that guns serve no tangible purpose anymore. I'm sort of
confused on that, it seems like they serve a very real purpose of
protecting people against those stronger than them that wish to do them
harm. Its the reason police officers carry guns. Its the reason I have a
gun. Reports put the number of defensive uses of guns in the US each year
somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million times if you go off a Department of
Justice report or a study by FSU criminologist Kleck.

You're also talking about the 2nd amendment and native americans. I'm
not sure if you're really giving the 2nd amendment the credit it deserves.
Don't forget that the entire bill of rights was a tool to help convince
anti-federalists to go along with the consitution. You'll notice that the
bill of rights really serves to expressly limit the government's power in
certain areas. The right to arms and an armed population was there to be
a last resort check against government tyranny. These were people who had
just recently used firearms to overthrow their unjust government and saw
that they might to do it again in the future.

You say gun proliferation is at an all time high. Whats the
crime rate like? I'd encourage you to look up the FBI's Uniform Crime
Reports and similiar data put out by the department of justice and look at
the trends of violent crime over the last few decades. It certainly looks
like things are doing well to me. You also random acts of violence.
Being a sociology student I would think you would be interested in the
motivations for those actions but instead you seem to be more interested
in the tool used in some of those acts of violence. Why don't we look for
the real problem and try to treat it? Humans have been killing each other
for a very long time without firearms, and continue to do so. Don't think
that if the guns go away you'll wake up in a peaceful world.

Finally you say that guns kill people, there is no reason that should ever
happen, and we need to talk out our problems. I commend your sentiment
and desire for that to happen, but that just isn't reality. I hope I
never have to use a gun to shoot at anything but a paper target, but I
also accept that there are people in the world that will do harm to others
no matter how much you talk to them. I would never ask that an innocent
person give up their life so someone that wishes to do them harm could
live. Would you really condemn the actions of a police officer that shot
a man trying to stab him, a woman that shot a man trying to rape her, or a
woman that scared off a battering ex who came back to beat her again?

Its good you have respect for life and hate to see death. I think you'd
find most firearm owners are the same. If you do appreciate the gravity
of it though I think you'd see where sometimes the only option is that an
attacker trying to harm others is going to need to be forced to stop, and
sometimes that involves guns or death. Your article is well intentioned
Chris, but I just don't see that its very well thought out or applicable
to the world people actually live in. I'd like to see you support your
thoughts with unbiased facts and statistics. Emotional outbursts like
"killing in your weekly planner" don't support your position. If there is
one thing that I learned in college its that my arguments and thoughts
need to be supported.
 
An invitation has been sent to his published email address.

This being Friday night, it might be a few days before we get a response, if we get one at all.
 
I could have easily wrote something that stupid when I was 20. Hopefully he gets some well reasoned responses, and sees the light someday. Hopefully not through violence or the need for a gun that he'd have banned.
 
A man is not an idiot for having an opinion.
No one said he was.

I don't agree with a thing the mans ays, but he's still entitled to his opinions--logical or otherwise.
No one said he wasn't.

Neither of your observations makes him any less (or more) of an idiot. That is determined by the quality of his thinking (or lack thereof.)
 
Why not?

Most college students enter at 18 and graduate at 21 (on average).
Which would have most of them either earning a bachelor's degeree in 3 years, or requiring that amount of time for an associate's. I don't have the statistics in front of me but I'm willing to bet that's not correct. I'm also not aware of any colleges that offer a 3-year degree program.

I entered at 17 myself...
Which would make you 19 by the beginning of your 5th semester (assuming you didn't skip a semester). Remember that this is the beginning of the academic year, not the middle. If this is his 5th semester then he skipped *at least* one semester (or some higher odd number of semesters) before beginning his college career. Even if he started at the lower end of the age range (17) these facts make him at least 19, and more probably 20 or more.
Of all the things in the world to ask.
*You* offered an estimate of his age, so you seemed to think it significant.

Stay on topic.
Yes Mom.
 
A fifth semester student is in the first part of their 3rd year, so he's around 20-21. Your math is a little off as well "WuzYoungOnceToo".

Regardless, he's a moron.
 
I have no intentions of wasting my time trying to reason with this guy.

If you can find me a battle that I can conceivably win, I'll gladly engage.
 
I got through about 1.3 paragraphs and realized this individual has the writing talent of a fourth grader that he's put to good use regurgitating every thoughtless, cleche anti-gun line he's heard.

Nobody will take this fool seriously.
 
Other fools, of whom he is surrounded, will take him seriously.

Just proof of how the American education system got hijacked, and turned into a facility for political indoctrination.
 
What a naive fool...

Come to think of it I heard a Radio Talk Show Host use this phrase "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" I now know what he meant....
 
Fly320S:

An invitation has been sent to his published email address.

This being Friday night, it might be a few days before we get a response, if we get one at all.

Is there some way to distinguish between anti-gun people who have been invited by forum members to come here to "debate" and ordinary trolls, or is there no distinction between them?

At any rate, I think that you're all upset because you've misread the Second Amendment and didn't know that "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" meant that Americans wanted guns to take away land from Native Americans, who should be paid reparations.

Those reparations were clearly intended in the Third Amendment which says "No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." What the framers of the Constitution presumably meant was that soldiers should not be given twenty-five cent pieces because those quarters had to be saved for later payment to the Native Americans. Either that or maybe the soldiers couldn't be drawn and quartered unless their doctors wrote legal prescriptions.

I'm thinking of studying political science at the University of Connecticut.
 
If there is one thing anyone can be sure of in this country, it is that Americans love guns. Not a day goes by when you don't see a fine American citizen killing some poor, defenseless person/animal with a .50 caliber hand cannon on television, or you hear about some random act of violence (a bank robbery, a homicide, or a crazed postal worker) which involves a gun in some respect. Therefore, being a proponent of living in general, I think it's about time we as a country threw in the towel when it comes to the whole "I'm from America, and I have a God-given right to kill and spread carnage whenever I feel like it" gig and adopt a platform of life.

Nothing is more ironic than your average conservative Republican who vehemently cares about not using a couple of cells for stem cell research (that just get thrown out anyways) and claims that they care about life, but yet they have a large enough arsenal in their cellar to single-handedly occupy Paris (for purely hunting purposes only, mind you). If we are going to take this approach as a country, then every time I get a nose bleed I better call an ambulance to save the thousands of cells from dying.

The simple fact is that guns serve no tangible purpose anymore. The main reason why we created the whole Second Amendment was something along the lines of protecting ourselves back in the 1700s from the people we stole our land from; aka Native Americans, who, in my book, we should still be paying reparations to as an apology for the numerous instances of rape, theft and murder that occurred at the hands of 'true' Americans. Oh, and we can never forget the necessity of a firearm to protect your log cabin from being invaded by bears.

But wait, if we stopped having guns and if we even took it to the level of decreasing our military arsenal as well, it would be much harder for us to start wars, the classic American past time. Forget baseball, nothing makes a real American man happier than a beer in one hand, the controls to a flat screen LCD TV in the other, and the latest front line report from Fox News in front of him, fresh with depictions of carnage and massed destruction brought to you live from some country in the Middle East that we can't (or don't bother to learn to) pronounce anyways.

But hey, who cares? We as Americans are pros at conveniently blocking out death tolls from across the globe as long as the victimized masses are not 'one of us'.

Unfortunately, we do the same within our own borders as well. With gun proliferation at an all time high, people are being mowed down all across the nation in random acts of violence.

But once again no one cares - at least not until it's a cute little white girl holding a lollipop that gets killed walking down the road on her way to school. Then it's an epidemic. Then it's a crisis beyond any known to man. Then something must be done. But as long as it's the poor, undereducated, non-white segments of the population being slaughtered by the newest fresh out of the box Glock, we just plainly don't care.

If it is really that hard for one to lay down their arms and live a life of peace and prosperity, then perhaps it is due to a lack of better things to do. I have thus constructed a list of possible activities to take the place of killing in your weekly planner.

Options range from, but are not limited to: ice skating, basket weaving (a UConn specialty), planting a tree, learning to play an instrument, helping the poor, helping yourself, taking long walks on the beach, and finally, my personal favorite, survivalism taught first hand in the 21st -century epic that you and I know as "Man vs. Wild."

All of these activities not only don't involve firearms and the slaying of the innocent, but are both time consuming and recreational (or in the case of "Man vs. Wild," a stroke of pure genius).

Enough is enough. Guns kill people, and there is no reason why this should ever occur. In case you didn't get the memo, contrary to what is shown on TV, violence is not an acceptable form of conflict resolution, and the simple, little process called 'speech' is much easier and better at solving problems.

I know there are some of you who will continue to live in your sad and pathetic world of hate, and that you will laugh while reading this article when I speak of peace and a world without firearms. And I pity you, I really do.

I can tell you from personal experience, that seeing someone die is not funny; it is not a joke; and you wake up every morning and pray to God that you will never have to see something as horrible as that ever happen again.

Staff Columnist Chris Donnelly is a 5th-semester sociology and political science double major. He can be contacted at [email protected]

It IS refreshing to see someone of this guys ilk openly espouse his beliefs.

Of course it is very sad to see that a supposedly well-educated man seems to think that he is an expert on each and every topic and that his expansive expertise comes from endless streams of 30-second soundbites.

-Bush is baaaaaaad
-Guns are baaaaaad
-If we just disbanded our military, every one would leave the US alone
-White Europeans entering America was the worst thing that ever happened in human history
-USA baaaaaad
-"Man vs. Wild" goooooood - just don't use guns vs. wild, man

Personally, I can envision, as Mr. Donnelly does, a world without guns as an effective means of personal defense. A world without a military. A world where people spend their time licking lollipops, planting trees, learning to play instruments, helping the poor, helping themselves, taking long walks on the beach. A world with an entire "Man vs. Wild" network.

And I can imagine someone invading that world with firearms, because they would not expect it, and they would probably have a lot of cool stuff to take.

This guy's silly article should be just a funny diversion, but it's not. Because it is the way that nearly 50% of the voting public and 25% of the U.S. population think. This guy was just naive enough to write it down and publish it.
 
Here's what I send to this Poor Lost Soul who obviously is a DEFECTIVE PRODUCT of our School's of "Higher Learning". Too bad these institutions don't terach the basic facts reqarding the Constitution, Our Founding Fathers and the Second Amendment

Text of my email....

What a misguided naive fool... Come to think of it I heard a Radio Talk Show Host use this phrase, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" I now know what he meant....

Got a question for you chief; how are those gun bans going in Britain and Australia? How is it possible AFTER nationwide gun confiscation violent crime has SKYROCKETED??....Could it be only CRIMINALS HAVE GUNS??? BTW, Washington D.C. has had a gun ban in place for thirty plus years yet it’s one of (if not the MOST) dangerous place n America. In contrast 30 States joined the ranks of Right to Carry and in EVERY ONE OF THOSE STATES CRIME HAS GONE DOWN…How can that be?

Oh, about that "Gun Culture" those of us who exercise our Second Amendment RIGHT hadn’t killed ANY defenseless person only BAD GUYS AND ONLY IN SELF DEFENSE... That "fine American citizen killing some poor, defenseless person" you’re talking about (by the way, they’re called CRIMINALS) will continue to kill so the question is will you have a gun to protect yourself and your family or will you simply become a VICTIM. As for the rest of my Fellow Second Amendment Citizens, we’re ready and able to protect ourselves and our family.... As our Constitution GUARANTEES.
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“The simple fact is that guns serve no tangible purpose anymore.”… Spoken like a true misguided naive fool.
 
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