Another Common Item to be Banned to Keep People From Misusing It

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What's next? Around here the meth cooks steal anhydorus ammonia in small propane tanks like you use for you BBQ grill. Are we going to ban everything someone can misuse?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...FA4B7C8586364E8C8625711C00547F52?OpenDocument
Down the tubes
Elizabeth A. Lehnerer
Of the Suburban Journals
Collinsville Herald
02/22/2006

Next time you visit a convenience store, have a look around. Those unassuming roses in the glass tubes are a cause for serious concern in local police departments.

Collinsville Police Chief Scott Williams said that the tubes are often used for smoking crack cocaine. For that reason, he is proposing an ordinance that would prohibit gas stations and convenience stores from selling the flowers in tubes.

"These tubes have been around for a while; we've started noticing them over the past year or so," Williams said Friday. "My concern is that the easier it is for users to obtain the drugs and/or paraphernalia, the bigger our problem."

When officers began their investigation regarding the tubes, of the 14 convenience stores in Collinsville, five stores had the tubes for sale and four of the five had them behind the counter.

"A lot of times, they'll keep them behind the counter so people have to request them by name," Williams said. "Often, they'll keep Brillo pads with them and sell them together."

The Brillo pad, or other type of steel or copper scouring pad, is used with the tube when smoking crack cocaine.

After the coating is burned off of a piece of the pad, it is placed in the end of the tube and serves as a crude filter, Williams said.

The drug is dropped into the pipe on top of the scouring pad and heated by an open flame. As the glass tube is heated, the pad serves to evenly distribute the heat from the flame to the rocks of crack.

As the drug burns and vapors are created, the user inhales, getting an immediate high that lasts about five to 15 minutes.

After the Police Department's investigation, Williams obtained a copy of an ordinance passed in Granite City regarding the sale of the tubes.

"We reworded it to fit our needs and will be presenting that proposed ordinance to (Collinsville's) corporate counsel by the middle of next week for his approval. Then the ordinance will move to the City Council for their review and possible approval."

Officials in Granite City passed their ordinance regarding the sale of the tubes on November 1.

Williams said that the ordinance would make the sale or distribution of the tubes unlawful.

"Our goal with this proposed ordinance is to make it as difficult as possible for drug dealers or users to sell or use drugs in Collinsville," Williams said.



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The Brillo pad, or other type of steel or copper scouring pad, is used with the tube when smoking crack cocaine.

After the coating is burned off of a piece of the pad, it is placed in the end of the tube and serves as a crude filter, Williams said.

Have we become such a pathetic society that people don't know you can buy steel wool that's not coated with a cleaning agent?

I can understand if the crack heads are too out of it to know any better, but Chief Williams is implying that the convenience store owners are deliberately keeping the brillo pads and flower vases together under the counter to meet the druggies' needs. Can't the store owners figure out that they could be selling regular steel wool instead of Brillo brand? Wouldn't that make their customers happier? Wouldn't they sell more than their competitor down the street then? Who wants to burn the coating off a cleaning pad first if you don't have too? What is wrong with these people?
 
What's next? Around here the meth cooks steal anhydorus ammonia in small propane tanks like you use for you BBQ grill. Are we going to ban everything someone can misuse?

Duuno, Jeff.

I was wandering around the net the other day, and ran across instructions on how to make a bong from an apple. Maybe we need to outlaw (or at least put a five day waiting period) on those "assault Grannie Smith's". For the chirlren, ya know?
 
Let's get to the heart of the problem and ban crack cocaine!

Oops, sorry, that's already been done.
 
People's lives have been ruined because they manufactured items that unkowningly could be used as drug perfinali- perafa... um drug accessories. :D
 
When I was in High School, I saw classmates make paraphernalia out of plumbing fixtures. Guess we better ban indoor plumbing. Back to outhouses, wells and wooden buckets.

Wait, I also saw them make paraphernalia out of wood. Better ban THAT too.

Wait, did'nt some primitive peoples make pipes out of stone? Guess we better ban ROCKS!
 
Well glass pipes used to smoke dope are already covered by the Drug Paraphernalia Control Act:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...ENSES&ActName=Drug+Paraphernalia+Control+Act.

CRIMINAL OFFENSES
(720 ILCS 600/) Drug Paraphernalia Control Act
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(720 ILCS 600/1) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2101)
Sec. 1. This Act shall be known and may be cited as the "Drug Paraphernalia Control Act".
(Source: P.A. 82‑1032.)

(720 ILCS 600/2) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2102)
Sec. 2. As used in this Act, unless the context otherwise requires:
(a) The term "cannabis" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in Section 3 of the Cannabis Control Act, as if that definition were incorporated herein.
(b) The term "controlled substance" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in Section 102 of the Illinois Controlled Substances Act, as if that definition were incorporated herein.
(c) "Deliver" or "delivery" means the actual, constructive or attempted transfer of possession, with or without consideration, whether or not there is an agency relationship.
(d) "Drug paraphernalia" means all equipment, products and materials of any kind, other than methamphetamine manufacturing materials as defined in Section 10 of the Methamphetamine Control and Community Protection Act, which are intended to be used unlawfully in planting, propagating, cultivating, growing, harvesting, manufacturing, compounding, converting, producing, processing, preparing, testing, analyzing, packaging, repackaging, storing, containing, concealing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling or otherwise introducing into the human body cannabis or a controlled substance in violation of the Cannabis Control Act, the Illinois Controlled Substances Act, or the Methamphetamine Control and Community Protection Act. It includes, but is not limited to:
(1) kits intended to be used unlawfully in manufacturing, compounding, converting, producing, processing or preparing cannabis or a controlled substance;
(2) isomerization devices intended to be used unlawfully in increasing the potency of any species of plant which is cannabis or a controlled substance;
(3) testing equipment intended to be used unlawfullyin a private home for identifying or in analyzing the strength, effectiveness or purity of cannabis or controlled substances;
(4) diluents and adulterants intended to be used unlawfully for cutting cannabis or a controlled substance by private persons;
(5) objects intended to be used unlawfully in ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing cannabis, cocaine, hashish, or hashish oil into the human body including, where applicable, the following items:
(A) water pipes;
(B) carburetion tubes and devices;
(C) smoking and carburetion masks;
(D) miniature cocaine spoons and cocaine vials;
(E) carburetor pipes;
(F) electric pipes;
(G) air‑driven pipes;
(H) chillums;
(I) bongs;
(J) ice pipes or chillers;
(6) any item whose purpose, as announced or described by the seller, is for use in violation of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 93‑526, eff. 8‑12‑03; 94‑556, eff. 9‑11‑05.)

(720 ILCS 600/3) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2103)
Sec. 3. (a) Any person who keeps for sale, offers for sale, sells, or delivers for any commercial consideration any item of drug paraphernalia commits a Class 4 felony for which a minimum fine of $1,000 for each such item shall be imposed. Any person 18 years of age or older who sells or delivers for any commercial consideration any item of drug paraphernalia to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class 3 felony.
(b) Any person who sells or delivers for a commercial consideration any item of drug paraphernalia to a woman he knows to be pregnant is guilty of a Class 2 felony.
(c) Any store, place, or premises from which or in which any item of drug paraphernalia is kept for sale, offered for sale, sold, or delivered for any commercial consideration is declared to be a public nuisance.
The State's Attorney of the county in which such a nuisance is located may commence an action in the circuit court, in the name of the People of the State of Illinois, to abate the public nuisance as described in this subsection (c).
Upon being satisfied by affidavits or other sworn evidence that an alleged public nuisance exists, the court may, without bond, enter a temporary restraining order to enjoin any defendant from maintaining the nuisance and may, without bond, enter a preliminary injunction restraining any defendant from removing or interfering with any property used in connection with the public nuisance.
If during the proceedings and hearings upon the merits the existence of the nuisance is established, and it is established that the nuisance was maintained with the intentional, knowing or reckless permission of the owner, or an agent of the owner managing the premises, the court shall enter an order restraining all persons from maintaining or permitting the nuisance and from using the premises for a period of one year thereafter. However an owner, lessee, or other occupant thereof may use the premises if the owner gives bond with sufficient security or surety, in an amount between $5,000 and $10,000 approved by the court, payable to the People of the State of Illinois. The bond shall include a condition that no offense specified in this Act shall be committed at, in, or upon the property described, and a condition that the principal obligor and surety assume responsibility for any fine, costs, or damages incurred by any person resulting from such an offense.
(Source: P.A. 86‑271; 86‑1459; 86‑1466; 87‑435; 87‑828.)

(720 ILCS 600/3.5)
Sec. 3.5. Possession of drug paraphernalia.
(a) A person who knowingly possesses an item of drug paraphernalia with the intent to use it in ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing cannabis or a controlled substance into the human body, or in preparing cannabis or a controlled substance for that use, is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor for which the court shall impose a minimum fine of $750 in addition to any other penalty prescribed for a Class A misdemeanor. This subsection (a) does not apply to a person who is legally authorized to possess hypodermic syringes or needles under the Hypodermic Syringes and Needles Act.
(b) In determining intent under subsection (a), the trier of fact may take into consideration the proximity of the cannabis or controlled substances to drug paraphernalia or the presence of cannabis or a controlled substance on the drug paraphernalia.
(Source: P.A. 93‑392, eff. 7‑25‑03.)

(720 ILCS 600/4) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2104)
(Text of Section from P.A. 93‑392)
Sec. 4. Exemptions. This Act shall not apply to:
(a) Items marketed for use in the preparation, compounding, packaging, labeling, or other use of cannabis or a controlled substance as an incident to lawful research, teaching, or chemical analysis and not for sale.
(b) Items marketed for, or historically and customarily used in connection with, the planting, propagating, cultivating, growing, harvesting, manufacturing, compounding, converting, producing, processing, preparing, testing, analyzing, packaging, repackaging, storing, containing, concealing, injecting, ingesting, or inhaling of tobacco or any other lawful substance.
Items exempt under this subsection include, but are not limited to, garden hoes, rakes, sickles, baggies, tobacco pipes, and cigarette‑rolling papers.
(c) Items listed in Section 2 of this Act which are marketed for decorative purposes, when such items have been rendered completely inoperable or incapable of being used for any illicit purpose prohibited by this Act.
(d) A person who is legally authorized to possess hypodermic syringes or needles under the Hypodermic Syringes and Needles Act.
In determining whether or not a particular item is exempt under this subsection, the trier of fact should consider, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following:
(1) the general, usual, customary, and historical use to which the item involved has been put;
(2) expert evidence concerning the ordinary or customary use of the item and the effect of any peculiarity in the design or engineering of the device upon its functioning;
(3) any written instructions accompanying the delivery of the item concerning the purposes or uses to which the item can or may be put;
(4) any oral instructions provided by the seller of the item at the time and place of sale or commercial delivery;
(5) any national or local advertising concerning the design, purpose or use of the item involved, and the entire context in which such advertising occurs;
(6) the manner, place and circumstances in which the item was displayed for sale, as well as any item or items displayed for sale or otherwise exhibited upon the premises where the sale was made;
(7) whether the owner or anyone in control of the object is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products;
(8) the existence and scope of legitimate uses for the object in the community.
(Source: P.A. 93‑392, eff. 7‑25‑03.)

(Text of Section from P.A. 93‑526)
Sec. 4. Exemptions. This Act does not apply to:
(a) Items used in the preparation, compounding, packaging, labeling, or other use of cannabis or a controlled substance as an incident to lawful research, teaching, or chemical analysis and not for sale.
(b) Items historically and customarily used in connection with, the planting, propagating, cultivating, growing, harvesting, manufacturing, compounding, converting, producing, processing, preparing, testing, analyzing, packaging, repackaging, storing, containing, concealing, injecting, ingesting, or inhaling of tobacco or any other lawful substance.
Items exempt under this subsection include, but are not limited to, garden hoes, rakes, sickles, baggies, tobacco pipes, and cigarette‑rolling papers.
(c) Items listed in Section 2 of this Act which are used for decorative purposes, when such items have been rendered completely inoperable or incapable of being used for any illicit purpose prohibited by this Act.
In determining whether or not a particular item is exempt under this subsection, the trier of fact should consider, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following:
(1) the general, usual, customary, and historical use to which the item involved has been put;
(2) expert evidence concerning the ordinary or customary use of the item and the effect of any peculiarity in the design or engineering of the device upon its functioning;
(3) any written instructions accompanying the delivery of the item concerning the purposes or uses to which the item can or may be put;
(4) any oral instructions provided by the seller of the item at the time and place of sale or commercial delivery;
(5) any national or local advertising concerning the design, purpose or use of the item involved, and the entire context in which such advertising occurs;
(6) the manner, place and circumstances in which the item was displayed for sale, as well as any item or items displayed for sale or otherwise exhibited upon the premises where the sale was made;
(7) whether the owner or anyone in control of the object is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products;
(8) the existence and scope of legitimate uses for the object in the community.
(Source: P.A. 91‑357, eff. 7‑29‑99; 93‑526, eff. 8‑12‑03.)

(720 ILCS 600/5) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2105)
Sec. 5. (a) All drug paraphernalia is subject to forfeiture.
(b) Property subject to forfeiture under this Act may be seized by any peace officer upon process issued by any court having jurisdiction over the property. Judgments in favor of the State in a criminal or forfeiture proceeding based upon this Act against a person's specific property shall serve as process authorizing a police officer to seize such property without further process.
Seizure by a police officer may be made without process:
(1) If there is probable cause to believe that the property is directly dangerous to health or safety and existing circumstances do not allow reasonable time for the officer to obtain lawful process; or
(2) In accordance with the provisions of The Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963, as amended.
(3) The presence of items which are deemed violative of this Act or are otherwise subject to its forfeiture provisions in an inventory shall not subject the entire inventory to seizure or forfeiture.

(c) Property taken or detained under this Section shall not be subject to replevin, but is deemed to be in the custody of the law enforcement department or agency employing the seizing officer, subject only to the order and judgments of the circuit court having jurisdiction over the forfeiture proceedings. When property is seized under this Act, the chief administrative officer of the seizing department or agency may place the property under seal, or remove the property to a place designated by him.
(d) No disposition may be made of property under seal until the validity of the seizure has been determined in a Circuit Court, unless such court upon application therefor, orders the sale of perishable substances and the deposit of the proceeds of the sale with the clerk of the court. The Circuit Court shall rule on the validity of the seizure within 30 days after the seizure, unless a continuance is obtained by a person from whom the items were seized or a person who otherwise has standing to complain, or by the State for good cause shown. In no event shall a continuance be granted to the State pursuant to this Section extend beyond 30 days. If judgment is entered in favor of the person from whom the property is seized, all seized property shall be returned immediately. Appeals from orders of the Circuit Court shall be heard within 60 days from the date judgment is entered. Judgments in favor of the person entitled to possession of the subject property shall serve as a mandate to the agency holding said property to return same forthwith.
(e) When property is forfeited under this Act the chief administrative officer of the seizing department or agency may retain it for official use, or forward it to the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, United States Department of Justice, or its successor agency, for disposition.
(Source: P.A. 82‑1032.)

(720 ILCS 600/6) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2106)
Sec. 6. This Act is intended to be used solely for the suppression of the commercial traffic in and possession of items that, within the context of the sale or offering for sale, or possession, are clearly and beyond a reasonable doubt intended for the illegal and unlawful use of cannabis or controlled substances. To this end all reasonable and common‑sense inferences shall be drawn in favor of the legitimacy of any transaction or item.
(Source: P.A. 93‑526, eff. 8‑12‑03.)

(720 ILCS 600/7) (from Ch. 56 1/2, par. 2107)
Sec. 7. The provisions of any ordinance enacted by any municipality or unit of local government which imposes the same or greater restrictions or limitations upon the availability of drug paraphernalia as defined herein, including the acquisition, sale or delivery of such items, are not invalidated or affected by this Act.
(Source: P.A. 82‑1032.)

So what do they hope to gain?

Jeff
 
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The Brillo pad, or other type of steel or copper scouring pad, is used with the tube when smoking crack cocaine.

After the coating is burned off of a piece of the pad, it is placed in the end of the tube and serves as a crude filter, Williams said.

Have we become such a pathetic society that people don't know you can buy steel wool that's not coated with a cleaning agent?

I think this is REALLY hilarious. Steel wool burns especially well when air is blown (or sucked) through it. IOW, it might really surprise some crack smoker. They'd do better using copper cleaning pads.:evil:
 
Hell you can't even get Tylenol or Advil off the shelves here any more. Seems meth heads were buying it all up to use as an ingredient in their labs.
 
Morons. Drug users/abusers are more creative than MacGyver when it comes to building stuff to smoke out of. Banning the rose pipes just means that more people will start smoking out of light bulbs - the tubular halogen kind, not the standard ones. I once saw a pipe made out of a knife sharpener and a ball point pen. It disassembled into its original components and was completely unobtrusive.

The Crack Can is another favorite - are they gonna ban aluminum drink cans next?
 
You can get a "high" from breathing into a paper bag.
Im not sure to what extreme prohibition will take us this time, but if history serves as any example, I'd stock up on toothbrushes and hairspray while its still legal.
 
What's next? Around here the meth cooks steal anhydorus ammonia in small propane tanks like you use for you BBQ grill. Are we going to ban everything someone can misuse?

The answer is unfortunately yes, as long as we keep allowing the wrong people to get elected.

Who are the wrong people? Politicians.
 
when I was a kid, people in my high school used to take empty soda cans, crease one side, poke tiny holes in the crease, and smoke pot on it. Maybe we should put serial numbers on all aluminum cans then classify them as drug paraphernalia and arrest people who don't recycle ALL of the cans. :rolleyes:
 
Alot of people come into my store looking to buy a trash can and ice to cool a keg. Many are obviously underage and of course they say it is for someone else. Are the feds going to come after me for selling a trash can and ice to someone who is not 21.:confused:
 
Collinsville Police Chief Scott Williams said that the tubes are often used for smoking crack cocaine. For that reason, he is proposing an ordinance that would prohibit gas stations and convenience stores from selling the flowers in tubes.

Stalin would have approved whole-heartedly.
 
"My concern is that the easier it is for users to obtain the drugs and/or paraphernalia, the bigger our problem."
That's right, it's your problem and you have no business making it everybody else's problem.
 
Kinda reminds me of the movie "Animal House" where Dean Wormer puts the Deltas on "double secret probation".

So....now we're going to make illegal crack pipes extra-extra-illegal?

How about mirrors, straws, and credit cards? People use these to chop up and snort cocaine - when are they going to be made illegal?
 
Hey and if we ban cheap cigars maybe people will quit making blunts too. I'm scared to even imagine what will be banned or controlled in another 30 years. If we have any sense the war on drugs will be over by then.
 
"These tubes have been around for a while; we've started noticing them over the past year or so," Williams said Friday. "My concern is that the easier it is for users to obtain the drugs and/or paraphernalia, the bigger our problem."

:rolleyes:

Ive seen someone get a new bong and a hookah 2 hours after a cop shattered their old one.

Somethin tells me a crack pipe isnt much harder.

(Ran into said someone not long ago. Apperently they quit smoking weed. I hope theyve kept it up, i havent talked to them since but i was once their friend and once they started smoking it really went downhill from there. I was glad to hear he quit)
 
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