TallPine
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Well, I do it strictly to put a trophy on my plate.
(if I don't interfere with what you like to do, why should "you" interfere with what I like to do?)
Anti hunters/ Animal rights actvists please respond
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(if I don't interfere with what you like to do, why should "you" interfere with what I like to do?)
Art Eatman
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The taxes on sporting goods raised via Pittman/Robinson and Dingell/Johnson are prorated among the states by the comparative numbers of hunting licenses sold. Among other things, these funds go to wildlife biologists' studies of game animals and fish, as well as game warden protection of both private and public lands and waters.
What's done for game animals tends to benefit non-game animals as well. Non-hunters such as hikers and birders therefore get a free ride on the backs of hunters' billfolds.
IMO, it's rather pointless to worry about who gets what out of tax dollars. 3/4 of highway costs come from general funds, not gasoline taxes, so non-shooters are subsidizing one's trip to a target range. I have no children in school, but I pay school taxes. The list is endless, so why get in an uproar?
Back to hunting and anti-hunting...
, Art
What's done for game animals tends to benefit non-game animals as well. Non-hunters such as hikers and birders therefore get a free ride on the backs of hunters' billfolds.
IMO, it's rather pointless to worry about who gets what out of tax dollars. 3/4 of highway costs come from general funds, not gasoline taxes, so non-shooters are subsidizing one's trip to a target range. I have no children in school, but I pay school taxes. The list is endless, so why get in an uproar?
Back to hunting and anti-hunting...
, ArtBHPshooter
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Firstly: I am NOT anti-hunting. Before I could hunt, I went with my Dad just for the sheer hell of it. When I could hunt, I went on each and every hunt I could. When I was 16, it was the same, only I could go by myself. At about 17 though, I just lost a little bit of interest in it, mostly because I couldn't afford it. I'm still all for it, but I take serious issue with most of the hunters.
I pretty much do it all: I used to hunt a lot (I still might again), I shoot clays, and I shoot frequently with a pistol.
My issue is that most hunters around here are trying to remove recognition of my right to own that pistol, or the M4 that I want to buy next. Why should they care? It doesn't affect them... Oh, wait, I guess it does. Sorry, but too late. We'll be taking that sniper rifle and street sweeper now, sir.
Hunters are as affected by Gun Control as the rest of us. How is your Benelli Shotty going to help you in your safe, when some hood is threatening you? Lucky for you, my evil semi-auto pistol is right here, saving your life. You hunt moose with a .50 BMG rifle? Ooops, sorry... those are now illegal in parts of the nation, and could be illegal in all eventually. You feel safer walking downtown with your wife because handguns are illegal? Ooops, apparently that criminal doesn't care what's illegal or not.
I know not all Hunters are inconsistent anti-gun bigots, but there are many. The hunters can help us all out now, or there will be no one to help them in the end.
Additionally, the Second Amendment says nothing about hunting, it does however mention the security of Freedom. Just something to think about: Hunting, along with owning politically-incorrect or scary guns, are ALL freedoms. You can support one or none.
Wes
I pretty much do it all: I used to hunt a lot (I still might again), I shoot clays, and I shoot frequently with a pistol.
My issue is that most hunters around here are trying to remove recognition of my right to own that pistol, or the M4 that I want to buy next. Why should they care? It doesn't affect them... Oh, wait, I guess it does. Sorry, but too late. We'll be taking that sniper rifle and street sweeper now, sir.
Hunters are as affected by Gun Control as the rest of us. How is your Benelli Shotty going to help you in your safe, when some hood is threatening you? Lucky for you, my evil semi-auto pistol is right here, saving your life. You hunt moose with a .50 BMG rifle? Ooops, sorry... those are now illegal in parts of the nation, and could be illegal in all eventually. You feel safer walking downtown with your wife because handguns are illegal? Ooops, apparently that criminal doesn't care what's illegal or not.
I know not all Hunters are inconsistent anti-gun bigots, but there are many. The hunters can help us all out now, or there will be no one to help them in the end.
Additionally, the Second Amendment says nothing about hunting, it does however mention the security of Freedom. Just something to think about: Hunting, along with owning politically-incorrect or scary guns, are ALL freedoms. You can support one or none.
Wes
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Drjones,
I took NO offence at all to your post. Just thought you would like to hear from a newbe who was NOT offended .
What offends me is the majority of gun owners who let a very few do thier fighting for them
. The gun owners in this country have a bad habit of laying on their backs with thier bellies up waiting for someone else to scratch it. Too lazy to scratch it themselves.
I took NO offence at all to your post. Just thought you would like to hear from a newbe who was NOT offended
.What offends me is the majority of gun owners who let a very few do thier fighting for them
. The gun owners in this country have a bad habit of laying on their backs with thier bellies up waiting for someone else to scratch it. Too lazy to scratch it themselves.
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Chisled between two colums in the great forum in the ancient city of Timgad built by Romes Third Legion in 100 A.D.
Which is now in modern day Tunisa I belive or possibly Algeria it's near the border in any case.
"Venari lavari ludere ridere hoc est viveri"
"To hunt, To bathe, to play,-that is to live"
Hunting is an ancient and revered past time. It is an expression of freedom. It is an activity that is exclusive to free men. Tyrants, socilaists and monarchs around the world have long tried to restrict free men from hunting. To restrict a hunter from the hunt is to crush that mans spirit.
I know of very few hunters who are not gun rights advocates as well. They do exist obviously but I don't think you'll find many out west (that of course does not include California). These types along with anti gunners and anti hunters tend to be from urban areas.
What distresses me is that I've been reading ALOT of anti hunting quotes on this web site. And by which I mean quotes right out of the PETA play book. Non of the people who've posted here are included as of yet.
You can not be a radical animal rights person and be pro freedom. that's like saying your a National Socialst and pro freedom. the two cannot by definition co-exist. It P.O's me to no end when I see pro gun guys who are anti- hunting. I find that to be some kind of cheap self P.C. gratification. "I believe in guns but I'm better than your average redneck gun wacko because I don't believe we should kill animals". Sorry guys but that just doesn't fly with me. And the same visa versa.
In my mind Hunting and RKBA are intricately intertwined wether or not hunting is a constutional amendment. That is covered in my mind when we were granted the right to liberty and the pursuit happiness.
I guess I should add that I am also an NRA life member as well as a member of the RMEF the SCI and the American Association of Professional Hunting Consultants. I take my gun rights real serious. I take my hunting rights just as serious.
Hunters are by far and away the largest population of shooters in America. It sounds like many of them need some education.....
But the challenge still stands to you anti Hunters/Animal rights types on this board. I want you to explain and defend your opinons.
And once again let me explain something. there are two types of hunters in this world. Period.
1. A substinece huunter. A person who must hunt to live. There are very few of these people left in the world. Some African tribes some remote groups of Inuit in Greenland and extreme Northern Canada and I'm sure others that I am omitting.
2. People who hunt because they want to. Even if they claim to do it only for food they have the choice to not hunt. These people are Sport hunters because they have a choice to not hunt yet choose to do so. AKA every hunter who has the ability to post on this board!!!
So don't give me the old "I'm moraley superior to sport hunters because I only hunt for food B.S."
That is precisiely like some hunter saying I don't believe that anybody should own guns unless it's for hunting. Either you believe in the RKBA or not there is no middle ground.
Either you support hunting or not just the same.
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I do not appologize for being a hunter. I'm rather proud of the fact.
Which is now in modern day Tunisa I belive or possibly Algeria it's near the border in any case.
"Venari lavari ludere ridere hoc est viveri"
"To hunt, To bathe, to play,-that is to live"
Hunting is an ancient and revered past time. It is an expression of freedom. It is an activity that is exclusive to free men. Tyrants, socilaists and monarchs around the world have long tried to restrict free men from hunting. To restrict a hunter from the hunt is to crush that mans spirit.
I know of very few hunters who are not gun rights advocates as well. They do exist obviously but I don't think you'll find many out west (that of course does not include California). These types along with anti gunners and anti hunters tend to be from urban areas.
What distresses me is that I've been reading ALOT of anti hunting quotes on this web site. And by which I mean quotes right out of the PETA play book. Non of the people who've posted here are included as of yet.
You can not be a radical animal rights person and be pro freedom. that's like saying your a National Socialst and pro freedom. the two cannot by definition co-exist. It P.O's me to no end when I see pro gun guys who are anti- hunting. I find that to be some kind of cheap self P.C. gratification. "I believe in guns but I'm better than your average redneck gun wacko because I don't believe we should kill animals". Sorry guys but that just doesn't fly with me. And the same visa versa.
In my mind Hunting and RKBA are intricately intertwined wether or not hunting is a constutional amendment. That is covered in my mind when we were granted the right to liberty and the pursuit happiness.
I guess I should add that I am also an NRA life member as well as a member of the RMEF the SCI and the American Association of Professional Hunting Consultants. I take my gun rights real serious. I take my hunting rights just as serious.
Hunters are by far and away the largest population of shooters in America. It sounds like many of them need some education.....
But the challenge still stands to you anti Hunters/Animal rights types on this board. I want you to explain and defend your opinons.
And once again let me explain something. there are two types of hunters in this world. Period.
1. A substinece huunter. A person who must hunt to live. There are very few of these people left in the world. Some African tribes some remote groups of Inuit in Greenland and extreme Northern Canada and I'm sure others that I am omitting.
2. People who hunt because they want to. Even if they claim to do it only for food they have the choice to not hunt. These people are Sport hunters because they have a choice to not hunt yet choose to do so. AKA every hunter who has the ability to post on this board!!!
So don't give me the old "I'm moraley superior to sport hunters because I only hunt for food B.S."
That is precisiely like some hunter saying I don't believe that anybody should own guns unless it's for hunting. Either you believe in the RKBA or not there is no middle ground.
Either you support hunting or not just the same.
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Fumagator,
That would piss me off to no end as well. I own all kinds of toys. But I haven't seen what your talking about around here.....I may well just ot hang out on this board enough to have seen it.
What I have seen are some big time anti hunting statemants on the hunting board lately. As well as some anti gun statments from one individual . It just makes me wonder what the agenda of some people are.
edited to delete the name of a flagrant quoter of anti hunting/anti gun statements............
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I notice that this thread has been entirely hijacked. I thought it was a thread for antihunters and PETAphiles to declare themselves. Much the pity. I'd like to meet one or two online where the discussion could proceed in a rational manner.
greyhound
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My .02.
Got back yesterday from visiting the GFs parents in western Alabama.
Now, I grew up in western MD, where lots of people hunted, but I have NEVER been somewhere like rural Alabama where hunting is by far the #1 topic of conversation like I heard this weekend.
How many points on a buck, pheasant hunting , duck hunting , etc, - I found it quite fascinating. No problems with hunting from me!
Only downer was I tried to describe my 1943 Mosin-Nagant rifle and mil-surps in general and no one had any idea what I was talking about.
And if it matters, both the GFs parents have CCW, but they leave the pistols in the glove compartment of their cars only. I gently presented the case for on person carry but I don't think I convinced them. Living in MD they don't know how fortunate they are. Sad thing is is both Alabama and Maryland are "may issue" yet couldn't be more different than night and day! (i.e. in AL if you have a clean record you are trusted, in MD no one can be trusted).
Got back yesterday from visiting the GFs parents in western Alabama.
Now, I grew up in western MD, where lots of people hunted, but I have NEVER been somewhere like rural Alabama where hunting is by far the #1 topic of conversation like I heard this weekend.
How many points on a buck, pheasant hunting , duck hunting , etc, - I found it quite fascinating. No problems with hunting from me!
Only downer was I tried to describe my 1943 Mosin-Nagant rifle and mil-surps in general and no one had any idea what I was talking about.
And if it matters, both the GFs parents have CCW, but they leave the pistols in the glove compartment of their cars only. I gently presented the case for on person carry but I don't think I convinced them. Living in MD they don't know how fortunate they are. Sad thing is is both Alabama and Maryland are "may issue" yet couldn't be more different than night and day! (i.e. in AL if you have a clean record you are trusted, in MD no one can be trusted).
nico
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I would just like to step up as another newbie who is pro-hunting and pro-rkba. All of the 10 guns my family owns are pretty much used for recreational purposes only, but if getting a CCW permit were possible, both my father and I would carry. I can't really explain it, but I wouldn't feel right killing an animal that I wasn't going to eat or wasn't some sort of pest (ie: the farm that we hunt deer on has fox holes in the pastures). However, I do not pass judgement on so-called "trophy hunters" and wouldn't stop anyone from hunting coyotes, ground hogs, etc. unless doing so would result in some long-term ecological damage. I posted in the lion hunting thread that seemed to get H&H hunter riled up that I wasn't really a fan of that type of hunting, but I only meant that I probably wouldn't do it, not that I'd stop someone else from doing it.
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Nico,
Trust me your post was one of the more logical truthfull and coherant posts on the Lion hunting thread. Yours in no way riled me up. I appreciate your honesty and respect your feeling on the subject.
The guys that riled me up were the ones who posted some of the most ignorant irresponsible stuff I've ever read on this site. becuase they were only saying what they did because the animal in question was a lion. And the animal planet does not condone killing lions therefore in their tiny little hollywierd worlds it must be wrong.
But if that animal would have been a coyote or a wild dog or bear it they would have been totally 180 out on there opinons I guarintee it. I guess The Lion King has really had an effect on todyas youth.
I could have sworn that one guy in particular the guy who made the big weenie/hiding behind gun comment is either Jane Fonda or Gloria Stienman but there is no way he/she is a free thinking American. I call that total left wing media indoctrination...Weher that person knows it or not they are quoting from the left wing anti-whatever playbook.
Trust me your post was one of the more logical truthfull and coherant posts on the Lion hunting thread. Yours in no way riled me up. I appreciate your honesty and respect your feeling on the subject.
The guys that riled me up were the ones who posted some of the most ignorant irresponsible stuff I've ever read on this site. becuase they were only saying what they did because the animal in question was a lion. And the animal planet does not condone killing lions therefore in their tiny little hollywierd worlds it must be wrong.
But if that animal would have been a coyote or a wild dog or bear it they would have been totally 180 out on there opinons I guarintee it. I guess The Lion King has really had an effect on todyas youth.
I could have sworn that one guy in particular the guy who made the big weenie/hiding behind gun comment is either Jane Fonda or Gloria Stienman but there is no way he/she is a free thinking American. I call that total left wing media indoctrination...Weher that person knows it or not they are quoting from the left wing anti-whatever playbook.
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