Jenrick
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I reread the entire thread, and no where in it does the OP mention anything about carry condition. He asks for info on how the Israeli's shoot, and he asks for some general assistance in being a better shooter with a handgun. As I noted above the carrying condition 3 or condition 1 has very little to do with their actual system of shooting. Everyone get's wrapped around chambering a round in the gun, even thought that's a very small part of a much bigger system. Yes it's different then what we do and from what most people would recommend.
Boom Boom, I'd recommend rereading Jordan's book if you came to the conclusion that he didn't advocate shooting instinctively at close distance. He absolutely recommends it for close engagements.
To directly answer's the OP's question:
As referenced Garrett Machine has some good videos, the camera work and audio may be less then what we're used to now (Magpul really did raise the bar big time for gun videos), but they are still alot better then what was "state of the art" in the 90's. Content is good, and he explains things well. There's a bundle deal on amazon for the rifle and pistol DVD's, I believe it's about $60. As mentioned plenty of good stuff on youtube to check out as well. Depending on where you are in the country, there are several really good vetted instructors floating around who teach for reasonable fees. If you're in Texas PM me and I can make a few recommendations.
I do for the simple fact that for the average gun owner needing a pistol in a SD/HD scenario it is quick to learn, easy to practice (particularly dry), and your skill level degrades slowly compared to some systems. It is a series of gross motor movements with large muscles (the ones the body likes to use under stress anyway), and it places more emphasis on grip then trigger control. I can say from being a full time LE firearms instructor, that it's way easier to improve someones grip (both strength and technical issues like where the gun sits in the hand etc), then it is to fix trigger control issues. Point/instinctive shooting (or whatever the heck you want to call it), has been around for a long time. It works well up close (inside of 10 yds), for the vast majority of people, and this distance is going to cover pretty much the entire bell curve of civilian SD/HD shootings.
If you define accuracy as the ability to stack rounds on a bull at 50 yd, it will probably be less accurate all things being equal. The stance and methodology isn't designed for that type of shooting. However target marksmanship stances (the Olympic shooting events for example), aren't terribly help full under life or death stress. If your major concern is small groups on far targets, Point/Instinctive/Israeli shooting will pay very small dividends over a long period of time and ammo; it's probably not worth it. If you want to be able to place combat effective hits at closer ranges, then it will serve you just as well as any other shooting system out there, with in my personal opinion less time to get proficient.
-Jenrick
Boom Boom, I'd recommend rereading Jordan's book if you came to the conclusion that he didn't advocate shooting instinctively at close distance. He absolutely recommends it for close engagements.
To directly answer's the OP's question:
Hello Everyone -
Just wondering if anyone would care to recommend any books, dvd's etc. that teach the Israeli shooting method and they felt was worth the money. Thanks for the comments.
As referenced Garrett Machine has some good videos, the camera work and audio may be less then what we're used to now (Magpul really did raise the bar big time for gun videos), but they are still alot better then what was "state of the art" in the 90's. Content is good, and he explains things well. There's a bundle deal on amazon for the rifle and pistol DVD's, I believe it's about $60. As mentioned plenty of good stuff on youtube to check out as well. Depending on where you are in the country, there are several really good vetted instructors floating around who teach for reasonable fees. If you're in Texas PM me and I can make a few recommendations.
... do you feel that the Israeli "stance" and method is worth pursuing through practice? Thanks everyone
I do for the simple fact that for the average gun owner needing a pistol in a SD/HD scenario it is quick to learn, easy to practice (particularly dry), and your skill level degrades slowly compared to some systems. It is a series of gross motor movements with large muscles (the ones the body likes to use under stress anyway), and it places more emphasis on grip then trigger control. I can say from being a full time LE firearms instructor, that it's way easier to improve someones grip (both strength and technical issues like where the gun sits in the hand etc), then it is to fix trigger control issues. Point/instinctive shooting (or whatever the heck you want to call it), has been around for a long time. It works well up close (inside of 10 yds), for the vast majority of people, and this distance is going to cover pretty much the entire bell curve of civilian SD/HD shootings.
Can i ask about the accuracy associated with the israeli stance and method. Once a fellow has trained with the israeli methid is it more accurate than others?
If you define accuracy as the ability to stack rounds on a bull at 50 yd, it will probably be less accurate all things being equal. The stance and methodology isn't designed for that type of shooting. However target marksmanship stances (the Olympic shooting events for example), aren't terribly help full under life or death stress. If your major concern is small groups on far targets, Point/Instinctive/Israeli shooting will pay very small dividends over a long period of time and ammo; it's probably not worth it. If you want to be able to place combat effective hits at closer ranges, then it will serve you just as well as any other shooting system out there, with in my personal opinion less time to get proficient.
-Jenrick
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