Anyone have experience using Controlled Chaos hunting bullets

[Kevinq6]

These controlled chaos bullets by Lehigh Defense seem to be like a copper version of the Nosler Partition. They hit hard shedding weight explosively at the beginning and then a solid base penetrates deeply.

Below is a gel test of the 145gr one in .308. There is also a 152 and a 175gr version. Minimum impact velocity is a low 1500fps. When my current hunting ammo supply is low I am going to test a box of the 152gr for accuracy in my rifle as I would like an all-copper bullet that hits hard. Any of you have experience hunting medium or large game with these?

 

[N555]

I loaded some up for my 6.5cm.
At close range lead hunting bullets act like varmint bullets.
With the right load the controlled chaos were making about 1 inch groups at 175yd. I would switch to only controlled chaos but they cost about a $ each and my 130gr game changer load does holes touching at 175yd and the bullets cost half as much.
Only hunting I did was shoot a coyote at the edge of my field. Looked like it layed down on a land mine.

 

[FL-NC]

I had a friend (passed away) who swore by them- I saw him successfully take a bear with the controlled chaos in 300 BLK.

 

[Patocazador]

The above video states that the front part is designed to break apart into fragments and the back part to penetrate. That's fabulous ..... IF you want to just kill something. However, I want to eat what I kill and I surely don't want hunks of brass in my meat.

They have the right name, Lehigh DEFENSE. Certainly not Lehigh Hunting.

I'll gladly pass on expensive bullets that destroy game.

 

[alsaqr]

A bullet that fragments like that are deadly when animals are hit in the heart/lung area.

In 2006 i bought a .50 caliber Encore muzzleloader. Bullet used since is the 250 grain .452 SST. My powder charge is a hefty one: Muzzle velocity is 2,100 feet per second generating about 2,500 foot pounds of energy. My shots on deer and hogs are usually < 60 yards.

The chest cavity of deer and hogs shot with that bullet are a mess. The lungs are destroyed, the heart is usually perforated by fragments, the diaphragm is ruptured and sometimes the liver lacerated. There is usually an exit wound with deer to 150 pounds. The deer are often DRT.

 

[Kevinq6]

The above video states that the front part is designed to break apart into fragments and the back part to penetrate. That's fabulous ..... IF you want to just kill something. However, I want to eat what I kill and I surely don't want hunks of brass in my meat.

They have the right name, Lehigh DEFENSE. Certainly not Lehigh Hunting.

I'll gladly pass on expensive bullets that destroy game.

I can see your point and one of my concerns is doing too much damage. However I also want a bullet that does some shock damage to make a lung shot or non-ideal shot more effective. This last year I shot a spike through both lungs with a 180gr accubond out of my .308 from about 40 yards. It did the job but the bullet just barely expanded and tracking was okay but the blood trail was not ideal. That round is accurate in my rifle but I would like a little more fragmentation/expansion than I got just to make sure I get a quick kill. But, I do worry about these controlled chaos doing more damage than I want.

The allure of these is they are all copper (no lead) but they seem to do more shock damage than the tsx or Hornady CX will do. For deer I do want more damage for that quicker lung shot kill. While eating some sausage form a friend, I found a piece of copper jacket with a little lead on it. This was prepared by a professional butcher. Made me think about all copper bullets more. Currently I do have some 165gr accubonds which out of my .308 will do more damage due to them being at a faster velocity (I have shot some pigs with both) so I can use those in the meantime. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

 

[Patocazador]

The allure of these is they are all copper

The video says they are all brass not copper. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. There is a difference.

Of course, you have the right to use any legal option for hunting deer. I just would shy away from an expensive bullet that has the potential to ruin meat.

 

[marksman13]

I’ve shot several pigs with them and I’ve been impressed with the performance. Quick kills. Massive blood loss. Nearly all of them drop on the spot with high shoulder or head shots. If I could post video I’d post a clip from my phone of the last pig I shot with a 152 grain Controlled Chaos in 308. I’m using the Ammo Inc load, but apparently they no longer offer that bullet in their ammo.

 

[marksman13]

Here are a few screen grabs from the video. I think they’ll paint the picture for you…literally…

 

[Kevinq6]

I’ve shot several pigs with them and I’ve been impressed with the performance. Quick kills. Massive blood loss. Nearly all of them drop on the spot with high shoulder or head shots. If I could post video I’d post a clip from my phone of the last pig I shot with a 152 grain Controlled Chaos in 308. I’m using the Ammo Inc load, but apparently they no longer offer that bullet in their ammo.

Wow, I appreciate your feedback. Seems like if I eat what I kill then I'd have to go for neck or double lung shots then. Would you use this round for deer?

Underwood loads the 152 and 175gr so I would probably use their load as it seems reasonably priced and I like the company. As of this moment it looks to be slightly cheaper too.

 

[marksman13]

Wow, I appreciate your feedback. Seems like if I eat what I kill then I'd have to go for neck or double lung shots then. Would you use this round for deer?

Underwood loads the 152 and 175gr so I would probably use their load as it seems reasonably priced and I like the company. As of this moment it looks to be slightly cheaper too.

I’d have no issue using it for deer, especially if shooting deer behind the shoulder. No way to waste meat back there and the results on deer would be similar to pigs. Massive internal damage and blood loss. The only thing I have noticed about this bullet and others like it, is a lack of blood trails because they don’t generally exit the animal.