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Looking for a semi 308 to add to the collection. Ive got a line on a good HK91, HK upper and lower with a Hesse reciever, but I hear that they tear up brass cases and thats not good because I load my own.

I like the AR10, but its more expensive that the HK Im looking at but the aftermarket is good.

The HK has cheap mags ($1ea)

Accuracy is important so Im wondering what is known to shoot better, a factory heavy barrel AR10 of a HK factory 91?

Also, does it really matter that its HK upper and lower and Hesse reciever???

Thoughts? What would you do?
 
Avoid anything Hesse like the plague. For an HK91 style gun the only options I would ever consider would be a genuine HK91, a PTR-91 (US made clone on HK tooling), or a Springfield Armory SAR-8 (Greek made clone, I believe licensed from HK). Anything else is asking for trouble. The PTR-91 is the least expensive of those options and runs around $1000 or so for standard models.

What particular AR10 are you looking at? An Armalite AR-10, a DPMS LR-308, a Rock River LAR-8, ?

If you haven't already, do a search on HK91 and PTR91. There have been many discussions of the pros and cons of that design.
 
Avoid anything Hesse like the plague
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Thats what I keep hearing, but I have yet to find out why.

Why avoid Hesse?


Looking at a DPMS AR10. Something with 18"-20" bull bbl, A3 upper, free floating handguard. Thought about a DPMS upper on a Worldwide Firearms billet lower just because Worldwide firearms is local and their lower is DMPS compatible.
 
Why avoid Hesse?
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Because basically everything they make is utter trash. Their guns are uniformly panned for use of low-quality materials, poor craftsmanship, and nonexistent quality control.

Between those two choices, spend the extra money, bite the bullet, and get an AR10. There are a number of companies now that are making good ones, and if you shoot with any regularity it won't be long before your ammo costs eclipse the price paid for the rifle.

Also, the AR10 is a better choice because there are going to be a lot more after-market options out there for modifying the gun.
 
Looking at a DPMS AR10. Something with 18"-20" bull bbl, A3 upper, free floating handguard.
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First off, Armalite, Inc. owns the label "AR10" and defends it vigorously. I don't work for them but I do respect the engineering work they put into their .308 AR-10 and so I personally use that label only for their product.

Having said that, I own a DPMS LR-308B. This is an 18" .308 AR with a free floated bull barrel, carbine length gas and fixed A2 buttstock. It's a nice gun, and is very affordable for what it is - you can find them for just $925 here:
http://rguns.net/rifles/rifles-semiauto-ar15-complete-308.shtml

The DPMS .308 platform is hands down the most bang for the buck in accuracy. 1 MOA or less is pretty much the norm with their free-floated-barrel models and quality ammo. There is good and growing aftermarket support for them, and magazine options from at least three companies (DPMS, Magpul, CProducts) all of which in my experience do actually work.

I am a former owner of a PTR-91, and for fear of being labeled as having a vendetta, I'll leave it at that. You can look up my old posts on it if you want to. And without a doubt a PTR-91 is several steps higher quality than a Hesse.

Sometime this year CMMG should be coming out with a complete .308 AR rifle on the DPMS pattern. I will be looking at them closely when they come out since I like CMMG and expect the features will offer options that DPMS doesn't currently offer, probably at a competitive price.

Bushhamster is supposed to be producing a .308 AR on the DPMS pattern this year as well. It appears to be basically a DPMS LR-308 except for (1) midlength gas and (2) chrome lined 4150 steel barrel. That's also interesting but I expect pricing will make it less interesting.

Armalite, Inc. makes an excellent product, and while the DPMS pattern has more market share the Armalite rifle is nicer in several respects, such as forged upper and lower receivers and a chrome-lined barrel. Armalite has also put a ton of genuine engineering work into making their AR-10 reliable and durable, and offers a lifetime warranty. I sometimes debate selling my LR-308 to get an AR-10. The DPMS is probably more accurate and is definitely less money, however.
 
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OK, so a HK91 "hesse" is a no go I take it. Even for $750???

I guess I'll start looking for a .308 AR

Armalite, DPMS-AR10,AR15. Pick your flavor.
 
I'm a fan of the modularity and ease of sighting with AR10 style rifles. Mine is a DPMS LR-260L (.260 rem). I'm keepin it for a reason. :)
 
If you like the HK91 save up your coins and get an HK. The only things I've done to mine is install an XS Ghost Ring and I had the trigger group worked on for a lighter pull and less creep than the factory trigger. The 91 is utterly reliable and fun to shoot. The cases, while dinged can be reloaded from what I've been told. I don't reload myself so it's a non issue. While not a target rifle it is capable of some pretty good groups if you do your part. It's one of the few rifles I own that continues to appreciate in value over the years. That's a good thing as well. Did I mention it was fun to shoot? :D The collapsible stock may look neat, but is punishing to shoot with. The 91 would be my pick for a semi auto battle rifle.
 
It's kind of two different purposes. AR-10s are being marketed as precision rifles, 91s are classic battle rifles. Not particularly INaccurate, but more for open-field battle work.
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Agree.

The FAL and dare I say M14/M1A are also great rifles, but I was trying not to do a thread veer. The M1A and FAL also have high entry costs for quality versions.
 
The M1A and FAL also have high entry costs for quality versions.
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I will be avoiding these two because:

M1A way too expensive.

FAL I dont know the first thing about one. Inch? Metric? I dunno?

I believe the AR platform I will stick with. Now I just gotta find one for under a grand.......anyone got one for sale?
 
I have a rra 308, dpms 308, and have had an hk 91 for 25 years. The first two are much more accurate than the hk with the rra being much better put together than the dpms which has the worst trigger of any firearm I have ever fired...I will be fixing that. I like them all but the rra is my favorite.
 
Former HK-91 owner (2) here.

Wonderfully accurate. I once fired eight rounds into a 7/8 inch group, dead-centered in the X-ring, 175 paces, off the top of my car, using only iron sights--I had good eyes back then--and all was witnessed by a friend.

Caveats:
1) Make sure to keep rollers clean and oiled. Rust can lock the bolt up tight. Ask the Contras.

2) Do not drop rifle on the charging handle housing. A sizeable enough dent can bind up the bolt handle and you are out of action.

3) Regular disassembly (for cleaning) will eventually lead to wear and result in loose fit between buttstock, receiver, trigger group.

4) I have reloaded the brass and worn out a 308 sizing die in short order.

HK? Not my cup of tea.

Sorry, no experience with the AR-10.....



(Make mine FAL)
 
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