The National Safety Council disagrees with you.
Odds of dying due to lightning = 81701
Odds of dying due to assault = 207
http://www.nsc.org/news_resources/injury_and_death_statistics/Documents/Odds of Dying.pdf
Are recent events spuring those that have CCW permits, but don't carry to carry?
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The National Safety Council disagrees with you.
Odds of dying due to lightning = 81701
Odds of dying due to assault = 207
http://www.nsc.org/news_resources/injury_and_death_statistics/Documents/Odds of Dying.pdf
I have had my "ccw", or "carry", in another state, through the best and worst of times. There is no way that in this economic climate, where folks are losing their homes and jobs like never before in recent history "60 in my midscale development of 250",that I will walk around without my weapon. I have people from every walk of life in my area, from the top 500 retired CEO's to Trailer Parks, where folks don't have vehicles, all within a 5 mile radius, I have no way to know which one if any, is going to loose control” today, or tomorrow, or whose health care ran out and can’t get their wife’s cancer drug, or surgery for a loved one. It’s a sad state of affairs, but people do desperate things in bad times and now would be the time to make use of your right to carry, just to have an option, not hope nothing bad happens. But it's a free country and every man and woman makes decisions for themselves.
CoRoMo
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The pistol, that is presently located on my hip, has been carried everyday, for years now.
But a recent event has definitely caused my wife to move forward with getting a carry permit and an EDC. It was not any of the national events that the OP referred to, but a recent violent crime that victimized a lifelong friend of hers.
But a recent event has definitely caused my wife to move forward with getting a carry permit and an EDC. It was not any of the national events that the OP referred to, but a recent violent crime that victimized a lifelong friend of hers.
essayons21
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I used to carry all the time to my NG drill... the armory was located in a pretty rough part of town. My new unit's armory is out in the boondocks, so I usually leave the gun in the car. Actually, drill weekends are the only time I'm ever disarmed. My old commander was cool with carry even though it was technically against policy, but I don't know how the new CO is, so I have to be a bit more careful. You can bet after the recent events in TX, I'll be carrying all the time at drill, regardless of the consequences.
9MMare
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I dont believe this is the case, or the law, and it's certainly a personal decision.
I thought more along those lines when I got my gun and started learning the laws *and ethics* surrounding carrying and using a firearm. I've leaned much more since then.
Much of it I learned in the legal and strategy sections of this forum.
fastbolt
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I'd wonder if folks who have the lawful ability to carry concealed weapons may also carefully consider whether their skills and mindsets (and knowledge of the laws governing the lawful use of deadly force) are up to any of the anticipated circumstances they may be envisioning.
I've seen some examples of very poorly maintained weapons carried by both LE & non-LE CCW folks. More than you might suspect. Sometimes they've been improperly maintained in a manner which resulted in functioning issues during a course of fire.
Then, there's the consideration of using good quality equipment other than the actual weapon itself (carry method and ammunition).
Buying the gun is one thing.
Lawfully carrying it is yet another.
Maintaining it for optimal functioning is another.
Developing and maintaining the needed skills and mental conditioning are also worthy of consideration, though.
(Let's also not forget about taking the appropriate measures to deny access to the weapon by unauthorized persons.)
Hopefully, more active & retired LE will reconsider carrying weapons off-duty and during retirement. I was told of some statistics which apparently indicated that only up to about 20% of off-duty cops actually carried weapons off-duty.
Just some thoughts ...
These are valid points and should be taken very seriously. I personally train every week at our club IDPA style matches. As the main RO I try to make my scenarios as real-life as possible, but you are correct in it takes a certain mind set to carry. I have several LEO's that shoot with us and these folks are definitely pro-CCW for citizens and carry themselves when off duty. 20% is really a scary number for LEO carrying off-duty.
It's a dangerous world out there and can't be too careful.
Frank4711
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Yes.....train and prepare....train and prepare.....train and prepare.....and then train some more
I dont see how they disagree. They are saying exactly what I said. Your odds of dying of a lighting strike are higher than your odds of dying in an assault. They do agree with me.
Ofcourse you can do things by your life style that dramatically increase those assault odds, the statistics assume an average lifestyle by averaging everyone's in the country.
The news from yesterday and today have convinced me i need to start carrying spare mags despite carrying 2 guns at all times anyways.
This would allow me to keep firing .45's and not having to resort to my small .380
Even tho im rather new to having a CHL,i take it very serious and arm myself one way or another.If im going somewhere i cant carry my gun at least makes the car ride with me and gets locked in the glove box until i return.
Also i feel my situational awareness is a lot more keen than it was before getting my license.Motorcycle riders will understand the enhanced awareness attitude well.
God bless my mom who is 64 years old,in a hospital type bed at home here on oxygen.But she is somewhat mobile with a walker still.We even went to the range this spring and she did very well.She badly wants a new handgun to call her "own" as her and my father share one now.Also she wants her CHL,she loves shooting 9mm's.
Ive offered to make my Christmas that my folks usually get me to be cash so i can add some money of my own to it and buy her a gun as a present.
Why she wants the permit i don't know,as anytime she leaves the house its with me and im packing 2 guns.
When we park at a grocery store she wont get out,but i leave my bug for her while she waits for me to return.
I dont watch the news just for that reason,i think id be too paranoid to even leave the house if i hear about all the crimes that happened just that day.
This would allow me to keep firing .45's and not having to resort to my small .380
Even tho im rather new to having a CHL,i take it very serious and arm myself one way or another.If im going somewhere i cant carry my gun at least makes the car ride with me and gets locked in the glove box until i return.
Also i feel my situational awareness is a lot more keen than it was before getting my license.Motorcycle riders will understand the enhanced awareness attitude well.
God bless my mom who is 64 years old,in a hospital type bed at home here on oxygen.But she is somewhat mobile with a walker still.We even went to the range this spring and she did very well.She badly wants a new handgun to call her "own" as her and my father share one now.Also she wants her CHL,she loves shooting 9mm's.
Ive offered to make my Christmas that my folks usually get me to be cash so i can add some money of my own to it and buy her a gun as a present.
Why she wants the permit i don't know,as anytime she leaves the house its with me and im packing 2 guns.
When we park at a grocery store she wont get out,but i leave my bug for her while she waits for me to return.
I dont watch the news just for that reason,i think id be too paranoid to even leave the house if i hear about all the crimes that happened just that day.
dkk73
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All right, first of all, you rule because of your username. HK USP45C, one of my favorite HK pieces and my carry for a long time.
Second, regarding the bumper sticker. Absolutely. Same here.
My point is that people are motivated by the events and outcomes they fear. When I use the word "fear" people might assume I am accusing them of cowardice or insecurity. Not at all. I am not asserting that you are afraid of the perps. But I think we both carry in the absence of an assumed high probability of occurence because we care a lot about the stakes.
Expected effect = (likelihood of occurence) x (cost if event occurs)
This is the naive formula in economics and in risk management, such as with military "Warning Orders".
There is some research to show that this linear formula fails in the extremes because of the emotional nature of how human beings reason (not a bad thing). This is why people won't move to earthquake prone places, and will carry guns in even very safe places. Not necessarily good or bad, but not driven by absolute odds.
You are correct, it came across as a platitude but it's not as simple or false as all that.
My main point is that people arguing you should carry because you're *likely* to fall prey to something like the events discussed is not correct. My earlier examples reflect the fact that I have to bite my tongue when people talk about carrying 'cause they want to preserve their lives. It's about more than that.
22-rimfire
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No changes in my habits. I take reasonable precautions in most cases. If I guess wrong, so be it. Not going worry about it. Local events have a much greater likelihood of affecting my carry schedule. But I have a gun with me every day, it is just not on my person in many cases unless I am concerned about my immediate safety.
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Double Naught Spy
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Nope. I have no obligation to carry and protect other people. I may opt to do so, but it is solely at my discretion. Those other people have an optional obligation to protect themselves and far too many of them fail to take that obligation seriously. The notion of putting myself on the line for a stranger who hasn't bothered is silly.
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Ditto here too. The odds may be low but they're not zero, and the stakes are high. Once you get past the emotional reaction most non-gunowners have to the presence of a gun though, the rationale for carrying IS exactly the same as wearing a seatbelt. The benefit greatly exceeds the risk of carrying. A responsible gun carrier will know how to safely operate and carry his or her gun, and poses no more danger to the public than does a driver who's wearing a seatbelt.
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Ditto here too. The odds may be low but they're not zero, and the stakes are high. Once you get past the emotional reaction most non-gunowners have to the presence of a gun though, the rationale for carrying IS exactly the same as wearing a seatbelt. The benefit greatly exceeds the risk of carrying. A responsible gun carrier will know how to safely operate and carry his or her gun, and poses no more danger to the public than does a driver who's wearing a seatbelt.
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