Are we being selfish?

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500 years ago most folk on the planet believed it was flat.

They were WRONG!​

Today it seems like most folk are against people owning small arms.

They ARE wrong!​

Are American gun owners being selfish?

NO!​


Just because the majority believes something is so doesn't make it SO!
 
I would have no hesitation, if it was absolutely verified, to be the last person on earth to drop ALL my weapons into the sea. Joe
 
How can freedom be selfish?
By freedom, do I desire to make you do something you do not want to do?
No.
By freedom do I try to control you; not allow you to do something I do not want you to do?
No.
By freedom, do I not allow you the most opportunities, the most expression, to most liberty to enjoy life as YOU see fit?
Yes.
Then how can I be selfish in asking for the same freedom I want for you?
 
I am just a newbie and all, but in my opinion, we are. But...on the other hand we have to be. Guns has become a hobby for millions of people, a resource to put food on the table for hundreds of thousands, and a self-reliance from jeopardy for thousands. Unfortunately, we have to play ugly because there are ones that don't want guns that play ugly. If you research it, you will find that there are more lies about guns than any other "amendment" if you will, saying that the American people don't need to have. But, you could also look at it from this point. I saw a quote from here I believe it was. Sorry, but chances are I will screw it up, but it went something to the effect of, "If a government has the size to give rights, it also has the size to take rights." I don't remember who had said it. Looking at that, if we all back down from a government (I am not being anti-govt, sorry if I come off that way) who knows what they will take away next. Remember back in high school and when there was about to be a fight, chances are the "other guy" would back down just by standing up to him? It is kind of the same thing. You don't back down, they get their way. Sorry, I am just a hillbilly, but that is kinda how I look at it as. Everyone else has a better opinion than me, I just hate keeping my mouth shut if I can have the least bit of input...
 
errrr... people knew the world was round 500 years ago. columbas was told that the world was round. he was also told that his calculations were off and that the world was bigger then he said. they were right, he was wrong.

no, its not selfish to want to live your own life. i think it is selfish not to allow others to live their lives as they wish because *whine* "its not fair!" this topic reminds me of a short story by Vonnegut called Harrison Bergeron. is it selfish to be who you are?
 
Our gun laws are now at the static stage.There is no going back on what has been passed in law.We are now trying to protect what firearms we have left,we have minimal support but keep plugging away at our friends in Parliment.
At the end of the day we are envious of yourselves and the stance you take on your rights.We sat by while others plotted,never thinking our firearms would be taken away and destroyed.Apathetic is a good word to describe us at the moment,thinking to much about being politically correct than using what common sense we have left.
 
I was in a position where I had to ask the Sheriffs office for help with a wacko that was harrassing/attacking me. They declined. So I had to purchase a weapon to defend myself from this Wacko and his family. I will never give up my weapons and will go to jail before I will voluntarily give them up. We only have the rights we are willing to fight for. Life is not fair.... It is what we make it.
 
Nope, just the opposite. I think it's selfish to withhold the RKBA from citizens.

Ask yourself "who is withholding this right from the citizens of the world?" Are citizens generally withholding this right from themselves, or is some oppressive government withholding the right?

I think you'll find that in nations where ownership is allowed, the majority of folks exercise the RKBA. Even places that recently allowed it and then outlawed it (USSR, Canada, UK, Australia for example) had a large portion of the population that was armed.

Nations take away arms under the guise of citizens safety, but in reality it's just control over the people. There are many legal things that are significantly more harmful or dangerous than guns (cars, tobacco, alcohol, swimming pools, nuclear reactors and waste, you name it).

I think the MOST responsible thing would be to allow world citizens to be armed and to decide their own government!

Unfortunatley, after a few generations the sheep of the world don't realize they lack freedom and are brainwashed into complacently and that guns are too dangerous.

But look at the masacres that have occured to unarmed populations in the worlds history, including Russia, Rwanda, the Jews, etc.
 
macFarlaine said,
Our gun laws are now at the static stage.There is no going back on what has been passed in law.We are now trying to protect what firearms we have left,we have minimal support but keep plugging away at our friends in Parliment.
At the end of the day we are envious of yourselves and the stance you take on your rights.We sat by while others plotted,never thinking our firearms would be taken away and destroyed.Apathetic is a good word to describe us at the moment,thinking to much about being politically correct than using what common sense we have left.
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macfarlaine, if you need help from this side of the pond, i would be glad to do what i can.
good luck.
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Gentlemen: Thank you for getting at the heart of this matter. Is steadfastly demanding in strong terms that our constitutionally GUARANTEED rights not be infringed wrong or selfish? NO! Should we stand and claim that only we, as Americans, are entitled to these God given rights? No! We should be offering to support any others who recognize that the right of self protection is a right inherent to all people. The fact that I own more firearms than I would ever need to protect myself is irrrelevant to the central issue.

Well done folks, well done!
 
I do not regard it as being "selfish" (a) to recognize that I have both a right and a duty to defend both myself and my family; and (b) to recognize and understand that the underlying purpose of the RKBA as incorporated into the Constitution of the United States was specifically to ensure that an armed populace would be able to throw off the yoke of a tyrannical government (again).

What other countries choose to do on their turf is up to them. What we do hare is none of their business, and I feel no moral impetus to listen to or be influenced by their whining.
 
I need to give this some thought. My first reaction is no...of course it's not selfish to enjoy shooting sports and have the ability and will to defend yourself and others. Then I go to the range, or the gun show or get on a forum and it becomes clear to me any way, that some of us should not be armed with anything more then a pointy stick. An alarming number of us. Seriously.
 
macFarlaine wrote:

It's always a suprise to find out what some in the US really feel about us Brits and our country.
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Speaking strictly for myself, I'm sick of certain UK newspapers taking each tragedy here as an opportunity to insult and attack law-abiding U.S. gun owners.

The additional comments these stories attract from some UK residents, piling onto us with childish name-calling, is particularly disgusting.

I find the UK in its current condition to be completely revolting. 4x the violent crime of the US, and they find it appropriate to insult us for not following along?
 
Let me put it this way. If someone could prove to me that by giving all power to the State and by giving up firearms we would have a lower crime rate, happier people etc. I WOULD NOT CARE. The right to keep and bear arms is not part of some utilitarian analysis. It does not need to be justified by policy or statistical arguments, anymore than the right to freedom of worship.

Think of it this way, there would be less warfare if we all followed the exact same belief system. But would you want to live in such a world?

The crime rate is zero in the graveyard.
 
It is a moral issue. The world is a very dangerous place ever threatened by madmen. It is a moral responsibility for citizens to own weapons if they are able to do so; for the good of their own family and the larger community.

It amazes me that while we still have so many living witnesses to the Holocaust among us that the 'international community' can hold forth about the wholesale disarming of private citizens as a morally superior position.

No, I love my kids too much and kids in general.
 
There is an immense difference between selfishness and enlightened self interest, just as there is between greed and the desire to prosper.
The Founders recognized the danger of allowing plenary power to 50%+1, and thus created a Constitutional Republic rather than a Democracy. I recall in 1964 a referendum in CA to legally legitimize the right to refuse to sell residential property based on the race of the purchaser. It passed by a wide margin. Does that make housing discrimination OK?
If banning xxxx type of firearm would prevent just one mall shooting would it be justified? If house-to house searches for weapons and drugs would yield greater public safety would it it be OK? If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.
Cameras in every room of every house would provide an immense reduction in domestic violence and sexual abuse of children, not to mention the security of the peons who no longer need guns for security. The law creating the new surveillance would guarantee the privacy of non-violators. It's for the CHILDREN damn it and you selfish b*stards just won't put up with a little inconvenience to save them.
Generations of patriots gave some or all for the Republic so that we Americans don't have to give a flying leap what those Euro-weenies think about our guns or anything else. God bless them. May they rest in the hands of the Holy Spirit for their sacrifices.
If my refusal to to surrender my rights under the laws of nature and nature's God makes me selfish, then so be it. Those who do aren't worthy of the rights of free men.
Freiheit uber alles!!
 
Hi everybody,

It's really hard to respect an anti-gun person’s position on guns. I believe pro-gun people tend to be the type who would save another human's life given the opportunity. I believe anti-gun people tend to be the type who would run and hide or accept a beat down.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the anti-gun crowd is mindless on this issue. It's NOT like they spend time analyzing the Second Amendment and the purpose of firearms. It’s NOT like they've gone to the range and received informative training. Their opinions tend to be knee jerk reactions based on the most memorable action movie.

They are products of fear, uncertainty and doubt. I used to be one of them. So, I'm not judging. However, I'm also NOT saying that it's ok to be stumbling around vastly uninformed and projecting your viewpoints onto others anyway. It's NOT ok.

Anti-gun folks are simply wrong on this issue. Stay strong.

Regards,
Jake McCoy

P.S. The answer to the original question is "no". I dream of a U.S. citizenry prepared like the Swiss. There's nothing selfish about the gun owners in that country who train to look out for their fellow man and country.
 
I would have no hesitation, if it was absolutely verified, to be the last person on earth to drop ALL my weapons into the sea. Joe
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I still would not get rid of my guns, because there are jerks out there who train with SWORDS every day that are just waiting for the guns to be gone and then they will take over! Seriously, even IF that utopian idea were to come to pass, there will always be someone with an attitude and a rock or stick or a knife who will take advantage of any situation where they are bigger or have another advantage to make others fall into line and obey them! It is just human nature and so as long as man in on earth and in charge arms / guns will not just be around but necessary to defend against those who would subjugate us.
 
The majority does not get to dictate the essential liberties of others.

For example the majority of the US might believe that everyone should be a christian but I doubt you 'd consider throwing in the towel on freedom of religion to make it happen.
 
It's Kang and Kodos that worry me.

"People of Earth! We come to you in the spirit of hostility and menace!"

OK, maybe not. :D

"That board with a nail in it may have defeated us. But the humans won't stop there. They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!" Bwahahahahahaha!
 
Selfish?

No, where doing ignorant folks a favor. Protecting RKBA is in EVERYONES best interest. We are standing up for what most are too lazy to understand and ungrateful to appreciate.

We are doing the right thing never forget that.
 
If you believe that we're being selfish consider this. In the the 1960's were minority black people selfish for wanting civil rights? Polls said that most people said no. Right is right.

Also consider that most early gun laws were discriminatory in nature. Whether it was the black man in the the south or irishman in NY people's rights were trashed. How many of these UN jokers don't believe in the constitutional rights we have?

Libya is on the UN Security council.

Question :Hey Momar, how many people can speak freely in Libya?
Answer: Everyone

Question: Everyone?
Answer: Yes everyone, well at least once.
 
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