Are you pro-gun but with close friends who are gun-ignorant?

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"One of my good friends is not pro-gun. He's not anti-gun either. He just hasn’t thought about gun ownership much."

My casual friends fall into that group too but ALL of my REAL friends are more intelligent than any anti-gunners. I have a low tolerance for fools and just can't seem to make close friends with idiots, on any matter.

Sadly, quite a few of my casual friends are both pro-gun and shooters. Some of them are about as "gun illiterate" as any lib! I let them shoot on my little personal range and try to teach proper gun handling, quietly and by example if possible but more pointed when it's needed for safety. They learn.
 
I grew up around guns as did most of my friends (I grew up in Western KY). I have friends on both sides of the aisle but I can't think of one who is really anti-gun.

I do have an aunt that does not care for guns though. A few years ago she gave me some money for Christmas (as did most of my family) and I used it to buy my first handgun. She was not too thrilled about that, and she was appalled that I was able to walk into the store and walk out with a new gun.

None of my friends carry though. My friends and family didn't want me to get my carry permit and don't understand why I need it, but some of them are coming around.
 
As time went on... I have wound up with a smaller circle of close friends.

People who are anti-gun are not a part of it. Not because they are anti-gun... but because generally, that mindset accompanies a broader set of principles which I inherently disagree with.

There are anti-gun people who I am 'friendly' with. No reason to not be civil. But I don't seek out their companionship.
 
There are anti-gun people who I am 'friendly' with. No reason to not be civil. But I don't seek out their companionship.
I agree with That!!!!!!
 
I am going through some really difficult times regarding this situation...

I'm 26, newly married, and we moved into my in-laws 2BR apartment attached to the main house. They are really fantastic people, but they are ignorant of guns and flat out scared of them for no real reason. I grew up with guns, recently purchased a new shotgun, and wanted to keep it in the house, but he said he would strongly prefer I didn't. The compromise we made is that I would keep them at my father's house (who is an ex-military gun loving republican... and 25 min away). It is really inconvenient as it is going away from the club I shoot at, but it works I guess.

I am now going for my CCW permit and by law the pistol/revolver must reside at the address listed on the permit. I am going to have to talk to my father in-law again and I really don't know what I am going to say. Now that I am married, I have a responsibility for someone other than myself and she is my responsibility. Home invasions are a regular scenario in NY, someone was robbed at gunpoint at the diner we all go to after church Sunday mornings, and it's a very dangerous world out there. Part of the reason we moved into her parents 2-BR was because our first apartment was overpriced and in a bad area. I personally had to call 911 because at 3am while playing guitar hero, I heard a car door shut, looked out the window, and there was a van in my driveway with 3 guys walking towards my front door. The state police responded in about 5 minutes (kudos to them), but that was a long 5 minutes. They ended up arresting the three guys as they WERE connected to other break ins.

Basically, the first thing I did was call the people with guns because someone with a gun might be trying to break into my house. Sorry, but I refuse to be the only guy at the party without a gun.

edit- oh, and since I've started the CCW process, It really amazes me how inconvenient gun laws are for responsible and law abiding citizens. If I was a criminal, I could have bought an illegal gun, committed a crime, had a trial, been convicted, and started serving my sentence in the time it has taken since I picked up my application a month ago to my scheduled appointment in 2 weeks JUST so I can submit the paperwork and start the 6 MONTH waiting game. /facepalm
 
I have a friend, a bandmate, who is equally anti-gun as I am pro-gun. We regularly argue about it.

Our arguements get pretty intense but we have respect for eachother. He doesn't say anything stupid when I'm cleaning guns in front of him, talking to someone else about shooting, etc.

Most of the time we usually joke around about our parellels. He's a really good guy and we don't have any sort of friction because of it which is good because we play about 3 times a week.
 
Anti-gun friends? try this one...

Yes, I've had alot of anti-gun or anti-"gun-in-the-house" friends. Some of them were hard cases to crack. Well, that is until after I take them shooting. I am nearly 40 years old, and have been shooting and studying it alot since I was six. (Been shooting with several people that I will NEVER go shooting with again - when I was younger.) I made the decision to let go of all the hype and showmanship, and concentrate on what works, because what I've witnessed about some gun owners is the way they carry themselves -too much attitude, arguments, and a lack of knowledge. That doesn't help convince people. I want to convert as many anti-gun or gun-afraid people as possible, without being a jerk about it.

So I politely ask some of them -"Would it be alright if I took you shooting with me? I'd like the privilege of showing you what alot of people don't get to learn. You'll be safer doing this with me than if we did alot of other things. Shooting is safer than driving, if you know what to do. It won't take up alot of your time. Oh, and I'll pay for the ammo this time. My treat."

After they get to hold a real gun, understand how they work, understand what ammo really is - and that a gun DOESN'T DO ANYTHING unless you have ammo in it - and it isn't at all as unpredictable as a hand grenade, they calm down alot. I show them several types of guns, so they understand the basic concept and can check one safely to see if it's loaded or not. Then after they get to bounce around a soda can or blow up a milk jug full of water and watch it splash everywhere, alot of them are hooked. Some are not, but they definitely see the world differently. It's written all over their face. And they don't freak out anymore at the sight of a gun. I can't explain it. It just works. Oh, and usually a few hours have passed, and they're still wanting to learn more! I'm sure some of the rest of us have had the same experience.
 
No.
In fact I fired those related by blood to me, and only claim one person as family.

When you have had so called "close friends" and "family" cut you to the bone, put you in harm's way, and I do mean harms way in the most serious context, you do not associate , or even claim to be kin to them.

One cannot chose family, one can choose friends.
Choose wisely.

Reality is real and dead is forever.
 
As a "liberal" who's about as hardcore pro-gun as they come, a lot of my friends are anti, though they're usually respectful about it. Many of them are of the opinion that "Well, I don't want one, but I support your right to have them". I'm usually respectful of their opinions as well. We don't really talk about it, though they will, at times, poke fun at me for it (in a friendly way), the same way you'd call a friend a hippie.

Though, most of my really, really close friends like guns.
 
Most of my close friends are gun-ignorant. Like me, they have parents who immigrated and were not informed about the 2nd Amendment. They also did not grow up with guns in the house. But fortunately, none of them are anti-gun. I'm doing my best to educate them, but it's a bit difficult as I like to teach new shooters one-on-one. It seems that I'm getting through though, as I'm taking my best friend to a gunshop this Saturday to buy his very first firearm.
 
Snead- Thanks for the tip. I've had several Ayn Rands on my own 'to read' list for a long while. I'll give it a try.
 
A co-worker who is anti-gun , and thinks you should need to have a very long waiting period , made a statement to the effect of " you see that home invasion on the news ? probably one of those tattoo'd types into guns and knives. "

I reached into my back pocket , pulled out my concealed permit , laid my Strider PT CC folder on top of it and rolled up my sleeve.

" Hmmm , I carry a gun & a knife and have tattoo's , small world eh ? Does that make me you think differently of me now ? "

She was dumbfounded , whereas before she was just dumb.

Recently she openly made a comment " We had a break in 2 doors down last night , I might need to borrow one of your guns ".

" Sorry , you need to go to store and buy your own , and after clearing the background check , and 72 hour wait for a handgun , you can have your own. Don't worry , if someone breaks in , just show em your sales receipt and have em come back in 72 hours , they will understand. "
 
My parents and sister are very anti-gun. They seem to think that anyone who owns or wants to own a gun must be intent on murder.

I don't think they really understand the concept of gun ownership for self defence/recreational shooting/hunting/collecting. I remember first mentioning I was thinking of buying a gun: they were horrified and disgusted, and looked like they going to estrange me. Of course, they're living in the Socialist Republic of Great Britain (I got out, thank God), where everyone has been won over to the idea that the country is going down the pan because sub three round capacity longarms are still legal to own after a lengthly licensing procedure, and must be banned! BANNED! It's like their minds are working in some different, incomprehensible way, and they think that gun are living thinking things of evil rather than a purely mechanical object.

Anyway, I'd better stop pouring out my misunderstood childhood. I...er...may have been drinking.
 
if most of the anti gun people were just more educated on the subject, maybe they wouldn't be so stupid about this issue...
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One cannot change people, places and things, only a person can change themselves.

Most folks will not change playmates, playgrounds and playthings, until some tragic event occurs either to them, or someone extremley close to them.

Add, folks get this need for a sense of belonging to a community, and so desperately want to become matriculated into this community, they parrot what is said by others in the community they seek.

Pro Gun, Anti Gun, and Fence Sitters all do this.

Basically it takes when your butt won't bounce anymore, before folks choose to do something about themselves.

True.
While not actually "close friends" these persons were classmates in a English Lit class.
One instructed by a Anti, whom subscribed to how the UK was doing things.
This instructor was from the UK.

Oh needless to say she crammed her agenda at the class and I and others like me,crammed right back

[Infamous Fire Extinguisher Exploits were with this Instructor as some recall].

English Lit, various assignments, including attending Live Theatre.

Classmates and myself , Pro gun, with CCW, arrived early, parked in a better parking area for when this performance would end after dark.

Not the best part of town during the day, much worse at night.

Performance ends and the Antis were scared to death to walk out to vehicles.
They asked me, and mine if we would escort them out.

I suggested they flip a coin to see whom was going to dial 911 and whom was going to be raped first - and walked off.

Even some of my Pro Gun/ CCW classmates felt I was a bit too "rude and crude".
I cannot type what I said, still it goes along the lines of "to heck with them".


These Antis were royally "upset" with me.
They begged, pleaded and cried to Security, whom informed them, they were under contract for the Theatre, and could not walk them out.
Eventually one did...

Monday morning and these classmates were on campus and lit into me like white on rice.
I cannot type what all they said, still I will share there were tears, anger and fists upon my person...
Especially one.
She totally lost it.

She had hit her bottom that night, and realized that cell phone, and the instructions to comply to a rapist, mugger , or any other criminal was NOT what she wanted, and for darn sure she did NOT want to be part of the Anti Community.

She could not start firearm lessons, legal , COTUS, BoR, RKBA fast enough nor getting her a firearm and CCW fast enough.

Dale Carnegie was wrong.

Sometimes to make friends and influence enemies you have to tick them off and let them hit a bottom first!

Just one strategy and tactic I have used and will again.

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Owlhoot wrote: There is a great difference between being friendly with a person and being friends with a person. We choose our friends. I have to know a person long enough to get to know who that person is, how he behaves, what he believes, his sense of honor, his integrety, and his intelligence.

I may know and like a great many people, but there are no more than half a dozen that I call my friend. I can't imagine why I would ever have a friend who is an "anti." Opposites don't attract when it comes to friendships.


I agree. To me there is a clear difference between an acquaintance and a friend. I choose friends very, very carefully.

Someone who doesn't thoroughly understand the purpose of gun ownership, its rights and responsibilities, will have a frame of reference and values which differ from mine so much that I would be quite cautious.

All that said, there are many who use the word "friend" in a much different way. To me a friend is someone who lives by solid principles in every area of life. This sums it up for me: "If ye obey my commandments, then are ye my friends".

Thanks, Owlhoot, for your post. I appreciate it.
 
Not so much friends, though my fiancee's sister is a fresh transplant to Boulder, CO, and she's welcome to stay there as long as she likes (Oh boy the flipping out she did when she first was around me while OCing...) but family is another story.

My grandmother was born and raised in Warren, PA. If you're not familiar with it, it's your pretty typical small town (Though it's pretty decently sized) with a decently large hunting community. Her father was part of that community, and always had shotguns and rifles in the house.

Unfortunately she married a New York native and moved to his town, Jamestown (Okay, not really unfortunately, since my grandfather, who recently passed away, wasn't anti-gun in the least, he just had no interest in them, though he'd been around them all his life, especially his time in Japan during the Korean ...conflict, war, whatever we're calling it these days.) and really took on the whole NY mentality (She even likes Hillary Clinton.)

At any rate, she has no problems with my rifles, my shotgun, etc., because they're nice little range toys that if I decided to hunt with would work well (Well, except for my lousy aim, and lack of interest in hunting, I guess.)

The second I bought a pistol over .22LR (Which she had no issue with, seeing as how it was a range toy) and got my LTCF, everything changed. Guns were now the enemy, I was going to jail for carrying if anyone ever found out, and I was likely to get shot by police.


... Actually, I guess she's not really all that anti-gun, now that I think of it. She's anti-anything-that-could-cause-me-harm.

Now I need her to come visit me here in PA so I can take her out to the range, since she hasn't shot a gun since she was 12-13ish (Her older sister was the hunter of the family)
 
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