ArmaLite Pistols: First Pictures!

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I am pleased to be the first person to release pictures of the new ArmaLite AR-24 pistols in their production configuration. Mark Westrom sent these to me a couple days ago and just authorized me to release them. There are two shots of the basic gun in its production state, and a third shot of a prototype for the "Special" model intended as a competition gun. On that picture you can see the checkered back strap and adjustable rear sight. I am still pushing for some further additions to those guns making them IPSC Production ready.

The AR-24 pictures show several of the upgrades over the base Tanfoglio. The front sight is dovetailed from the side. This means replacement sights will be available for various purposes. The extractor is heavier than the traditional one. Front cocking serrations are absent, while rear serrations are on a widened slide section for easier grasping. Mark Westrom wanted the slide to look much like a Sig P210 and to preserve a clean appearance without excessive cuts to the metal. I think these pictures show that was achieved with a very attractive final appearance. Of course these guns are forged as was originally stated by ArmaLite. You can also see the magazine base plate is metal rather than the plastic used by Tanfoglio. In the shot of the Special model the firing pin retaining plate is visible if you look close. Grips are the current version, but ultimately Mark intends to replace those with a quality rubber model more like what CZ offers. Wood will be available as an option. The guns will likely still fit CZ-75 leather as the lines are pretty close. My good friend at Crossbreed Holsters will be working up rigs to go with my reviews of the two pistols headed my way. Expect my review to cover the base model in full-size and compact.

Enjoy the pictures and stay tuned for further developments! Mark Westrom is working on something that may benefit us all.

;-)

GR

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How many rounds?

Awesome pics! Thanks! What are the proposed calibers and the respective capacities?

Doc2005
 
First guns will be 9mm, followed by 40 and 45. So far the capacities are not determined for 40 and 45. 9mm should be 15 or 16 depending on the final magazine configuration. I think they ship with 15s from Sarsilmaz, but am hoping they will be compatible with CZ or Tanfoglio 16 rounders.

As for 40 and 45 I am pushing for higher capacities than CZ or Tanfoglio, but that will be up to the engineers.

GR
 
I am waiting on pricing information and will pass that along. I have pressed for a rail on future versions. That may depend on the direction the competition gun goes.

The 210 look was captured quite well I think. In this era of sci-fi looking plastic pistols, I think it is a nice change.

GR
 
Thanks for skipping the front cheese grater. Also, down-to-fire is nice on the safety, as it mimics the 1911 platform (my preference).

Overall, pretty nice looking gun, EXCEPT the engraving/lettering/rollmark could get cleaned up a bit, eh?

Hope they're in the $5-600 range so I can justify getting one.
 
Overall pretty nice.

Few things come to mind, definitely the Tangfolio, P210, CZ look to it. P210 slide, Tangfolio/CZ frame and controls.

If this is for cocked and locked carry, nice since I see fire is down position, safety is up position. Some newer companies have it backwards. Also good location of the safety on the frame instead of the slide.

The lettering/rollmark definitely needs to be cleaned up a LOT more. Easy fix.

The hump on the rear of the slide reminds me of that IMI abomination and takes away from the lines. Reminds me of the hump on the trunk on the current 7 series.

Lastly, I like the sights in the last page. Flows very well together (minus the hump).

Hopefully some feedback/criticism put to good use.

Overall, seems Mark is on the right track. :)
 
If it weren't for the "hump," there'd be nothing to grip to rack the slide. If the entire thing were squared, it'd look like a Glock. There's no pleasing some people.
 
Steel frame?

Hopefully the frame will be (or at least offered in) steel. Aluminum is o'kay, but I prefer good old-fashioned steel. All the same, it is a very nice looking pistol. The grip looks very comfortable with its undercut trigger guard!

Doc2005
 
Is this just a modified Tanfoglio or a completely new design?

How does the Fanfoglio lockwork compare to the CZ lockwork?
 
The tooling came from Tanfoglio originally, but Sarsilmaz is a much older gun maker and has been capable of doing their own design work beyond that. This will likely be more apparent in the compact and competition models. The standard guns are serving with the Turkish military and some changes were specified by them (such as the firing pin retaining plate) to make the guns more durable in adverse conditions. Sarsilmaz also elected to forge the slides and frames for increased strength even though they could have cast them. Mark Westrom has insisted that the internals be similarly robust. He wants a gun that is as durable as the 1911s he cut his teeth on shooting for the Army.

GR
 
Not sure on timing but this year from what I am hearing. I have not spoken with Mark Westrom much about the target market. I know we have discussed the competition guns at length for civilian customers, but of course ArmaLite has a strong LE customer base for their rifles.

GR
 
So what exactly will set this gun apart from the current CZ offerings? Will it be significantly cheaper? And will they be cheaper than the current witness offerings or have significant differences that warrant buying these pistols? How about magazine compatibility with CZ/Tanfoglio?

As a CZ fanatic, I was just wondering...
 
As much as I have resisted all the CZ/TA etc autos in the past, I really like the look of this one. It has a nice Post War European aspect to it. All steel would be a big plus. Thanks for the pics and info!
 
Is the presumption that the support from Armalite will be better than what we'd get from EAA? (That wouldn't be hard to do, but still - I'm looking for the market discriminators here...)
 
Please Please,
No matter what the gun is intended for do not put front slide serrations on it.
They are ugly and serve no purpose(have heard the theories).
How about a bigger safety lever?
 
ceetee said:
"Made in Turkey"?
Yup. These are Sarsilmaz pistols that will be distributed in the USA by ArmaLite. When I was in the Sarsilmaz outlet in Istanbul last summer, they were talking about the ArmaLite deal. Nice to see it's coming along.

Grayrider said:
The tooling came from Tanfoglio originally, but Sarsilmaz is a much older gun maker and has been capable of doing their own design work beyond that.
Most people around here don't seem to know it, but Turkey has a HUGE firearms industry. Kirikkale makes some phenomenal MP5 clones under license from H&K. Sarsilmaz is known for thier excellent line of U/O shotguns and these CZ-75 clones (called "Kilinc," the Turkish word for "sword"). From what I've been told by the distributor near the Grand Bazaar, the Kilinc line is made of forged steel (though there are some aluminum- and polymer-framed versions). The ones I've handled have been VERY impressive. These are standard issue in the Turkish military, Jandarma, and most civilian police. Very fine weapons.

BTW, Sarslilmaz also offers some intricate engraving and/or gold inlays. Not too expensive, either:

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If someone can hook me up with one of the "Ata Gravurlu" verions, I'd be much obliged. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is one of my heros.
 
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