ArmaLite Pistols: First Pictures!
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Michael Zeleny
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Good luck reaching this goal with the slide stop pin bearing the brunt of each recoil cycle.
Grayrider
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Of course the solution then is to change that.
The competition guns will be somewhat different than the basic pistols.
For those that asked about price, I am still waiting for word on that. I will post further information when available. My day job is keeping me a bit tied up right now so bear with me if my responses are a bit delayed.
GR
The competition guns will be somewhat different than the basic pistols.
For those that asked about price, I am still waiting for word on that. I will post further information when available. My day job is keeping me a bit tied up right now so bear with me if my responses are a bit delayed.
GR
AirForceShooter
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Needs an Ambi Safety for us lefties.
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Rotorflyr
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Personaly I'd like to see more guns on the market that had safties set up for lefties without them being ambi safties.
coltrane679
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Do I get the honor of being the first to say,
"Where's the 10mm?"
"Where's the 10mm?"
Michael Zeleny
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The slide stop pin bearing the brunt of each recoil cycle is a basic feature of the CZ-75 design. There is no place in its layout for a barrel bed.
Ash
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Actually, the Armalite is pretty different from the CZ-75. The safety is different, as is the firing pin block. The frame is less complicated as well. It is evolved, of course, from the 75, but offers some advantages over the CZ. Generally, though, I prefer the CZ over the Tanfoglio designs in a 9mm. If it's a 9mm, I will take a CZ any time. However, when they come out with a .45ACP, it'll be great. I would take it over a CZ-97 given it will be smaller and easier to handle, based on the Tanfoglio 45's.
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Spackler
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It looks to me like a Bren Ten.
Do the CZ's offer forged frames and slides? Sarsilmaz does, but I'm not sure about CZ. Also, I understand that these have more robust internals, especially the firing pin and extractor. Considering how robust the CZ-75 is, I'm not sure if this will make any significant difference.45shooter said:
Overall, I would expect quality to be as good as (if not better) than CZ but with lower cost.
CZ 75 uses forged frame and slide and I never seen or even heard of one having its internals damaged by normal use so it comes down to differences in appearance/cosmetics. Success or failure if the pistol will hinge on the price. If it cost less than CZ then there is a market for it but if it cost more then I don't think people will pay more just for the Armalite name.
Grayrider
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Hmm... I was pretty sure CZ frames were cast, but I agree I have not seen one fail. I have seen Tanfoglio frames crack--actually my own 9mm did that. Of course 75s break slide stops but that is common to all guns so derived.
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Grayrider said:
Are you saying that these pistols are a different design from the CZ-75? This design will not hammer the slide stop?
Grayrider said:
What is the significance of this reference? What is significant of seeing the tip of the firing pin retaining plate? Is there something innovative with the design?
I do like the P210-ish look of the slide. It still leaves me wishing it looked even more like the P210, though... (But that's just me. I think the P210 is a classy looking pistol.) I think it would look better, if the slide rails did NOT continue to the end of the slide.
Looking forward to hearing more about it.
Grayrider
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The models shown engage the slide stop as with any CZ-75. I was simply suggesting that the issue can be resolved with a more substantial design change were that to be desired. The firing pin retention plate was a feature added to allow easy access to the pin for replacement as well as provide a stronger means of holding it in place than the pin used on other similar guns. I seem to recall the Turkish military wanted that but I would have to ask Mark Westrom.
You know that 210 look is interesting in the response it gets. When Mark told me he wanted the guns to reflect the 210 roots of the 75, I thought it was a neat idea given I am a fan of classic European looking pistols. However, I had some negative responses from various forums when I revealed that information a few posts back. Now that the pictures are out I think it shows the gun does invoke a 210 appearance, while not wandering too far from the basic Tanfoglio/75 design. Perhaps it will make people on both sides of the fence happy.
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You know that 210 look is interesting in the response it gets. When Mark told me he wanted the guns to reflect the 210 roots of the 75, I thought it was a neat idea given I am a fan of classic European looking pistols. However, I had some negative responses from various forums when I revealed that information a few posts back. Now that the pictures are out I think it shows the gun does invoke a 210 appearance, while not wandering too far from the basic Tanfoglio/75 design. Perhaps it will make people on both sides of the fence happy.
GR
Michael Zeleny
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The substance of such design change would have to involve beefing up the frame to fill the cavity presently occupied by the trigger linkage. In all likelihood, the DA trigger mechanism would have to go.
Car Knocker
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Second photo shows a "Made in Turkey" rollmark.
Buck Nekkid
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I just keep wondering why there is so little innovation in the firearms market place. I can see why folks buy Ubertis instead of Colt SAA's--cuz you can get nearly 3 of them for the same money.
I can see why Rock Island 1911's are purchased over Kimber/Colt/etc--cuz you can buy nearly 3 of them for the same money.
But for the life of me I can't see why anyone would buy a EAA/Tanfolgio/Sphinx/Armalite over a CZ (all calibers being equal). None of the clones evidence any marked superiority over the original and their prices are, in many instances, more than the their progenitor.
Now if the Armalite had something that was unique, I'd say waaay cool, but it's just another CZ clone (if y'all like the old world style, then CZ's gotcha covered with the CZ 75 Classic). So I guess my quetion is this "What's the point of the Armalite?"
I recommend that Armalite get a distributorship from CZ-USA and go peddle the real deal!
I can see why Rock Island 1911's are purchased over Kimber/Colt/etc--cuz you can buy nearly 3 of them for the same money.
But for the life of me I can't see why anyone would buy a EAA/Tanfolgio/Sphinx/Armalite over a CZ (all calibers being equal). None of the clones evidence any marked superiority over the original and their prices are, in many instances, more than the their progenitor.
Now if the Armalite had something that was unique, I'd say waaay cool, but it's just another CZ clone (if y'all like the old world style, then CZ's gotcha covered with the CZ 75 Classic). So I guess my quetion is this "What's the point of the Armalite?"
I recommend that Armalite get a distributorship from CZ-USA and go peddle the real deal!
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Dealer price on a brand-new CZ75B is in the $300 range. That's hard to beat on something that's got a great reputation already built in.
modifiedbrowning
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The CZ P01 has a forged frame, the rest of their line has cast frames.
Ash
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In 9mm, I tend to agree. Where these will do best will be in the .45 department.
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Grayrider
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The market will tell. If they sell then obviously there is a demand.
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Gary G23
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I had a Turkish made shotgun and ended up selling that unreliable piece of crap. I hope these are better.
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