ArmaLite Pistols: First Pictures!

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Another vote for 10mm!

If they make one in 10mm, I'd definitely buy one... maybe 2.
 
I like the models listed on sarsilmaz's webpage better.

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They seem to have changed thier product line up some. They used to have a few neat compensated and longslide models, and a compact model.
 
Its a Turkish copy of an Italian copy of a Czech pistol with a US label.

It would have to be cheaper than a CZ or substantively 'better' to get my attention.

The real truth lies in the range test right?
 
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Dr.Rob pretty much sums it up for me. If they don't retail for less than $400 (like $370) or offer something new (10mm, 38 Super) I'll just buy the CZ.


David
 
So what is the point in making something that you can already get from CZ? I don't see it selling all too well. I haven't seen a new pistol design that uses a forged frame and slide in forever. In fact.. I can't think of any new pistol design made with a forged frame that was made since before I was born in 1986.
 
I solidly like CZ's, but the arguments against the Armalite are refutable by EAA Witness being so prevalent in the market. These generally cost as much as a CZ, sometimes a bit lesss, and are offered in the same chamberings. Now, I would never consider an EAA in 9mm or 40 when I could get a CZ, but in .45, the Witness is not so big as the CZ-97 and that is what I have. Yet, there are still very many Witnesses out there in 9mm.

Now, I would rather have Armalite take over the Tanfoglio importation and jazz up those pistols rather than Turkey, but I imagine the profit margin on Turkish pistols will be much higher than with Italian. In any case, should the Armalites be priced reasonably, they could do fine. EAA should worry about them more than CZ. Of course, Springfield Armory was an importer of the Tanfoglios, selling them as the P9, and they dropped importation after a fairly short run, so there is no guarantee for Armalite.

Ash
 
The CZ P01 has a forged frame, the rest of their line has cast frames.
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That's certainly true of the alloy CZ pistols (PCR vice P01) but I do believe that all of the steel frame pistols have forged frames.

Of course, Springfield Armory was an importer of the Tanfoglios, selling them as the P9, and they dropped importation after a fairly short run, so there is no guarantee for Armalite.
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SA priced themselves out of the market. Let's hope Armalite learned from that lesson. :)
 
Why don't they save all the r&d money; just buy the pistols from CZ in bulk, engrave their logo on them and resell them.
 
Personally, I'd buy one of these for a bit more than a CZ, just because of the higher profile slide. Big fingers and little slides lead to cursing and blood. It also looks better 'n a CZ, in my opinion. If it comes in .45ACP without that ugly CZ-97 slide, I might be sold.

Now, I must be off. Need to figure out how to stir up even more CZ lovers. :neener:
 
I like that Bren Ten looking hump. Might work well for those people that complain about the slide on CZs. I'm with the gang that says that in 9mm the real deal
See-Zed is the way to go. Start looking for other calibers like 10mm and 38 Super, ect. Then the Tanfoglio based guns have alot of appeal. same thing with
the .45 ACP, as the 97B is just too big/heavy for most shooters..myself included. I also like the fact that if you hot rod a TZ and they break over time..
they are cheap to replace.

I'm sure we will seeing more pics of these guns in the Clone Club and other places.
 
It occurs to me that there is more in aesthetics than I initially considered. The IMI Baby Eagle usually sells for more, often times $100 more, than the real deal CZ. This includes the 9mm models. The Baby Eagle is just another Tanfoglio in a different wrapping, and indeed in liked in Isreal but not as much as the genuine article. Don't get me wrong, I like BE's just fine, but I wouldn't pay more for one than a CZ. Yet, they run more, and that is due both to the way they look, their masculine association with the Israeli Army (which may seem less tough as of late), and their percieved relation to the Desert Eagle. These pistols will be an Armalite (still think the AR nomenclature is wrong, but I digress), and that carries a certain panache. With the proper marketing, these can be sold for more money than CZ's and do very well. Of course, while I would like to have a .45 Armalite if nothing more than to thumb my nose at EAA (amazing, I like their product DESPITE their idiotic advertising, not a good thing), I would not be willing to pay a lot more than I would pay for a Witness.

Ash
 
Now Atblis you should know that old GR is whispering 10mm in Mark Westrom's ear at every opportunity...

Unfortunately with 40 and 45 still in the pipe, I don't think I have much influence. Let us both hope the guns do well and that ArmaLite will have the freedom of healthy profits to let them take a few chances with those oddball calibers we both love..

;)

Still no further news on pricing, etc. I will keep you all informed.

GR
 
Ash wrote : "Don't get me wrong, I like BE's just fine, but I wouldn't pay more for one than a CZ. Yet, they run more, and that is due both to the way they look, their masculine association with the Israeli Army (which may seem less tough as of late), and their percieved relation to the Desert Eagle."

Ash, do you have any info of the Baby Eagle/Jericho in Israeli Police or Military use? I own one in 9mm and it is very, very good.

What I like about the Turkish version (nobody called it a 'Turkey' yet) is the looks - reminds me more of a Browning HP with a DA trigger. If the price is right I'll get one in .40 S/W.

Does AR have any info on when we can expect the first ones?
 
I like the rounded trigger guard as opposed to the squared off ones, it gives it a nice look. Those front frame rails though, uhg. Get rid of those and the gun looks much sexier. That's why I don't like CZ-75's in .40S&W.
 
It occurs to me that there is more in aesthetics than I initially considered. The IMI Baby Eagle usually sells for more, often times $100 more, than the real deal CZ. This includes the 9mm models. The Baby Eagle is just another Tanfoglio in a different wrapping, and indeed in liked in Isreal but not as much as the genuine article. Don't get me wrong, I like BE's just fine, but I wouldn't pay more for one than a CZ
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The Baby Eagle is distinctly different from the original CZ, and also different from any production Tanfoglio. Though they use mostly Tanfoglio parts, they configure them in a way that Tanfoglio does not. The BE has poly riflling, for one. It also offers a Beretta 92 style de-cock/safety over the tradidtional frame mounted C&L safety of the CZ and TZ. The full-length frame is also attractive. And the BE has a distinctly different backstrap shape, much more ergonomic than the CZ or Witness. And yes, the lines of the BE make it more aesthetically pleasing than any of the CZ/TZ basic models.

As for not buying a CZ clone in 9mm or .40, I have to agree that I wouldn't.
(I don't consider the BE a CZ clone; based on does not a clone make)
 
The Jericho is pure Tanfoglio. The safety is the standard Tanfoglio decocker. EAA elects not to import that model but it is widely sold elsewhere and was sold here prior to EAA dropping it from their line. The long dust cover frames are also available from Tanfoglio, but again EAA only uses them on their competition models. Tanfoglio uses polygonal rifling in guns, but yet again EAA elects only to use that in their competition guns. It is worth noting that MRI dropped polygonal rifling from the "Baby Eagle" a few years back, so it is not accurate to site that as a difference between the Jericho sold here and the Tanfoglios. I would venture that as many parts interchange between the EAA and MRI guns as with the ArmaLites. In fact given Sarsilmaz's independence from Tanfoglio there may be more parts in common between the BE and standard frame Witnesses, not counting the safety, frame, and slide. Of course the safety parts would interchange with an earlier witness so equipped.

Now mind you I really like the Jericho (albeit with the safety in the right place on the frame where it belongs), but that "Baby Eagle" pistol is still....

A CLONE!

:eek:

(where is the ominous music when I need it....)

GR
 
It is worth noting that MRI dropped polygonal rifling from the "Baby Eagle" a few years back
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My buddy's old man just picked up a 2006 manufacture Baby Eagle in .45 two weeks ago. Still poly rifled, as is my 2002 production 9mm.

I am aware that IMI gets all the parts for the BE from Tanfoglio, but as I said, they offer configurations not available to us in the Witness. Now if only they'd take that last little step and offer a 10mm BE............
 
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