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Another armed incursion on U.S.-Mexico border

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Desertdog, Feb 3, 2006.

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  1. Desertdog

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    I think it is time for the U.S. Military to start patrolling th border with Mexico. If the Canadian mlitary start crossing the border, patrol there also.

    Another armed incursion on U.S.-Mexico border
    'It is disgraceful that American citizens live under the threat of a foreign army'
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48636


    An American law enforcement officer and news crew in Texas have witnessed another armed incursion into the United States by men dressed in Mexican army attire, the second such incident in just two weeks.

    As before, several men dressed in Mexican military garb appeared to violate the international boundary, in Hudspeth County, Texas, some 50 miles east of El Paso, local affiliate KFOX-TV reported today. There, the U.S.-Mexico border is separated only by a shallow stretch of Rio Grande River.


    The incursion was witnessed by a KFOX news crew and Hudspeth County deputy, photos of which are posted on the affiliate's website.

    The deputy and news crew were on the scene Tuesday night to film a segment about last week's incursion, when the law officer noticed more "soldiers" emerge from a clearing on the U.S. side of the border.

    As the deputy and news crew watched, three soldiers emerged into the clearing before one hurried back into the concealment of brush, KFOX reported. But the deputy pointed out other, larger groups of soldiers engaged in a flanking action against him and the news crew, most probably, the deputy believes, in an attempt to figure out what they were doing.

    "They are doing the classic thing, flanking around each side of us and actually coming up into the U.S. and trying to figure out what we are doing; they are looking at us very heavily," said the deputy, who was not identified in the report.

    At that point KFOX reporter Ben Swann asked, "So I guess it's time to go?" and the deputy answered, "Yeah, it would definitely be time to get out of here."

    The deputy chose to vacate the area because he was vastly outnumbered and outgunned, the report said.

    Mexican officials have said their military is forbidden from traveling within three miles of the border, though U.S. border residents have repeatedly spotted mobile patrols of Mexican military units traversing roads that run directly parallel to the international boundary. Because of the stated policy, however, Mexico says the armed men crossing into the U.S. are paramilitary forces loyal to drug-smuggling cartels.

    In last week's incident, Texas law enforcement officers and Border Patrol agents engaged in an armed standoff with Mexican military personnel and drug smugglers just inside the United States along the Rio Grande. The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported that both Texas law enforcement and the FBI stated nearly 30 American agents were part of the incident.

    Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department told the paper Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States.

    Border Patrol agents called for backup after seeing that Mexican Army troops had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border – near Neely's Crossing.

    The deputy involved in this week's incident said he identified what appeared to be a military vehicle partially concealed in brush near the Mexican "soldiers."

    "It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal told the Bulletin. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

    Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman with the FBI's El Paso office, confirmed the earlier incident, saying, "Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border. People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across."

    Chris Simcox, president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a border watch group that assists authorities in securing the border, said with the latest incident "the government of Mexico once again has demonstrated their contempt for the United States."


    "It is disgraceful that American citizens, including law enforcement, live under the threat of a foreign army that enters our country at will," he added. "It took the murder of 3,000 Americans on American soil for the government to take international terrorism seriously. With the Mexican army, drug smugglers, human traffickers and terrorists able to cross our borders with impunity, it seems that only the mass murder of Americans living on our border will cause the government to take decisive action to secure our borders."

    In comments to KFOX, the deputy involved in this week's incident said, "If it's going to take a bunch of us getting killed down here on the river to show everybody that this is a problem, then its going to happen, one of these days it will happen."
     
  2. hillbilly

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    Here's an El Paso TV station's story on this mess.


    http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=4449500






    02.02.06
    Deputy: Things "getting personal" after Border Incursion; Families, Officers Threatened
    Feb 2, 2006, 06:26 PM CST Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version





    EL PASO, TX. - According to law enforcement officials directly involved in the border incursion two weeks ago, the cross-border confrontations are "getting personal."

    The confrontation started ten days ago with drug smugglers trying to bring illegal drugs across the border in SUV's east of El Paso. Mexican authorities have now removed the SUV that got stuck in the Rio Grande and was torched by men in military uniforms on January 23rd.

    While there are few signs remaining of last week's standoff, matters are anything but calm in Hudspeth County. According to law enforcement officials, things are escalating on the border in Hudspeth County.

    During a ride-along Thursday with the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department, one deputy, who has been with the department since the 1960's, told ABC-7 that this is the most tense matters have ever been along this area of the border.

    In the past few days, Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department deputies and their families have received threats to stay off the Rio Grande. Sheriff Arvin West told ABC-7 Thursday morning, before departing for Houston that the Mexican military is behind all of this.

    Sheriff West said, "There is no doubt in my mind -- from the first time going back to a couple of years ago and every time in between --- it's the Mexican military. In a nutshell, everybody's been trying to tell everybody that they were here...they've been here ...[and] they come here quite often, regularly."

    Now Sheriff West is having to deal with threats being made against his deputies and their families. One Sheriff's Deputy, who refused to appear on camera out of fear, described the situation today in Hudspeth County as "very dangerous." and now, he said, "it's getting personal."

    The deputy added that "he is very leery of a firefight erupting on the border just east of El Paso."
     
  3. Standing Wolf

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    I'd be hard-pressed to tell you which I find most despicable: Mexico, the druggies, or the U.S. administration that's done precisely nothing to secure our nation's borders.
     
  4. BigRobT

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    Once on US soil, they have committed an act of war. Shoot them !!! Get our troops down there NOW!!! It's bad enough that the US Taxpayer foots the bill for most of the illegals medical, college, and whatever else they can suck off of us, but Mexico's Army refuses to cease entering our country ?? Ummm, all I can say is.......... "Remember the Alamo!!!"

    Standing Wolf, you can thank Reagan, Bush41 and Clinton for letting it get as far as it has. Mainly Reagan.
     
  5. cracked butt

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    Its time to do away with the NFA and have CMP sell Ma Deuces to Texans on the border- about $500 a piece should be about right.;)
     
  6. Sindawe

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    Now thats just plain untrue Standing Wolf! The U.S. Administrations have been good LOTS about the mess on our borders. Unfortunately for us the Citizens of this Republic, what the Administrations have been doing involves the use of wool, its application to our eyes, and a major north flowing river in Egypt. :fire: :fire: :fire:
     
  7. fourays2

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    GWB assures us we have nothing to fear, these people have good family values and only want to come here to do the jobs that Americans won't.:rolleyes:
     
  8. WT

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    Where are the Texans? Why aren't they repelling the Mexican Army?

    Sam Houston and the 200 Defenders of the Alamo must be rolling in their graves.
     
  9. Lupinus

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    Next a BP, deputy, civilian, whatever is going to get killed. Wonder what GW will do then, maybe send flowers:rolleyes:
     
  10. Manedwolf

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    How about moving some of the A-10's to a base down there for flight practice, patrol flights and such? That's a good deterrent.

    They interviewed one captured Taliban who said that the sound that they feared most in the mountains was the scream of a diving A-10 (they do that awesome banshee wail) because it meant death was coming.

    Damn right.
     
  11. TexasRifleman

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    Travis and his friends didn't have to worry about the US Army fighting alongside of Santa Anna.

    They did what they did because the believed help was coming.

    There's no help coming this time......
     
  12. Lupinus

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    Sure there is, just happens to be for the other side. See what happens if some Texans finally get PO'ed enough and shoot a few Mexicans who come across in military uniform. Sure wont be praise or backup, it'll be swat with an arrest warrent.
     
  13. belton-deer-hunter

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    well luckly in texas i saw an ad on tv this morning i have to do some more research but van taylor looks to be a good thing for congress


    http://vantaylor.com/
     
  14. TF_FH

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    Personally, I think the reason why the texans aren't shooting back is because nobody really lives right where they are doing this. 50 miles east of El Paso is just a few small towns. The mexicans that are crossing do it away from people so they don't get noticed most of the time. Now if they were to actually try to cross at places other than checkpoints in El Paso with their big shipments of drugs and/or people... That would be a big mistake on their part.

    However, thats just my opinion from what I've observed.

    Now check out the New Mexico border to the south... There is nothing out there. Real easy to get accross.
     
  15. The Real Hawkeye

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    The States need to call up their militias to patrol the boarder. Next step is to shoot these folks dead, hang them by their feet, photograph their faces and show them to el presidente demanding that he identify whether or not they are enlisted in the Mexican Army. If they are, one warning should be given. Next time it happens, we take Mexico and make it a protectorate of the United States, that is, what's left of it after we unleash the full force of American conventional arms.
     
  16. TF_FH

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    Damn right, they better do it soon. This situation is only getting worse. :uhoh:
     
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    If they march on San Antonio or San Jacinto, we'll be there. :D
     
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    What bothers me perhaps most about this is, if various officials KNOW that there are Mexican machine gun emplacements constructed on our side of the border, and they apparently know where they are ... why hasn't someone sent an armed patrol of either Army or National Guard combat engineers out there to dismantle the things, and bring 'em back as evidence.

    Oops ... I think I just answered my own question. Nobody in authority wants any part of the 'e' word.
     
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    If Americans get killed in any number along the border in the skirmishes to come and the Feds don't respond with peremptory force Bush can kiss his Presidency goodbye. This is visceral stuff. Even the hard Right will be crying for impeachment.
     
  20. pete f

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    Lets stop the evil word games that these people are her t odo jobs that americans do not want. this is untrue. They are here to work at WAGES that americans do not want. Before the flood of illlegals, an american would work at a factory job or service job because they got paid enough to make a living at it. Framers ( construction crews) used to be a job you could make a living at. Now, mexicans are taking these jobs ( and doing a horrible job of it) not at 25 to 27 dollars an hour. but at 7 to 8 dollars and hour. That is 14 to 16K a year. same with Roofers and Drywallers. Same with packing house crews, assembly workers. too many workers, means wages fall, and so does productivity, which means net price really does not change, but it is hard to convince some MBA's that paying a guy 19 bucks an hour is smarter than paying him 8 bucks an hour. no matter that the 19 buck and hour guy makes 4 times as much product.

    Block the borders, deport the illegals and watch wages and jobs for your KIDS exist that will support a family.
     
  21. progunner1957

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    Tune 'em up!!

    One word: AIRSTRIKE.:D :D
    That will work nicely, too.
     
  22. The Real Hawkeye

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    Your analysis is correct. Now, if you and I can figure that out, don't you think the George Bush team has also? They know perfectly well what their policy of open boarders, along with other policies, is doing to America. It's their goal. You see, things need to get so bad that we will be happy for any solution. The solution they will eventually offer us is a merger of the United States with Mexico, Canada and the rest of the hemisphere into one super nation, similar to what they are in the process of hammering out in Europe right now. Our national Constitution will then be no more authoritative than our current State Constitutions, and you can forget about the Second and Fourth Amendments surviving the transition. The new union will have its own Constitution which will take the place of the US Constitution as the highest law of the land. All this that we are seeing now has been engineered to destroy us as a viable independent nation for the purpose of weakening our resolve against joining a multinational union, to which we will transfer all essentials of our national sovereignty.
     
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    Bingo:
     
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    So it's okay with you guys if we interdict them with overwhelming, then?
    Right-o.

    pete,
    The whole "Quadrupling the cost of labor makes business sense because an AMERICAN who gets paid four times more will be at least four times as productive than a MEXICAN." thing doesn't work so well outside of union meetings. However, if you think it's true, start a business and pay your laborers four times as much as anyone else is. If you're right, you should make a killing.

    You might be right that if you were paid four times the going rate to do a job that you'd do it better than someone willing to work for less, but in almost every case, I highly doubt it'll make real business sense to do it your way. If it did, those "stupid" MBAs would be all over it, just to limit the liability, turnover issues and so forth that is brought about by hiring four times as many laborers.
     
  25. Correia

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    This thread is drifting mighty bad. I'm missing how armed border incursions by drug smugglers has anything to do with the whole union job thing. Please keep this on topic for THR.

    And cordex, you should know better than to interject fundamental business or economic reasoning into a discussion like this. Those American union workers are worth so much more. Just look at our super profitable and efficient unionized US auto industry. The guys that sweep the floor shavings make $67 an hour. But they are AMERICAN!

    Damn, now I'm guilty of thread drift.
     
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