Steve in PA
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"An officer has to use the back of their hands to search........."
No they do not. However, they cannot manipulate the object.
No they do not. However, they cannot manipulate the object.
Dbro20-... An officer has to use the back of their hands to search, if they feel that their is a weapon in your pocket they will ask you to empty your pockets. If you pull out an ounce of marijuana, the officer can use that as evidence, even if their was no knife or weapon in that pocket. The officer only needs to believe that their is a weapon, if the cop feels a cell phone or any hard object they can ask you to empty your pockets.
Exp, I read everything you wrote and I still think Terry can come into play with a traffic violation
I will then do exactly as the officer directs me to do with the weapon.
Does this include giving it to the officer and allowing him to drive away with it, expecting you to come to the station later with a purchase recipt and 3 letters from character witnesses, notorized, saying you are a safe, upstanding citizen?
Does this include giving it to the officer and allowing him to drive away with it, expecting you to come to the station later with a purchase recipt and 3 letters from character witnesses, notorized, saying you are a safe, upstanding citizen?
Does this include giving it to the officer and allowing him to drive away with it, expecting you to come to the station later with a purchase recipt and 3 letters from character witnesses, notorized, saying you are a safe, upstanding citizen?
When I get pulled over,(all the time) the officer always unloads my gun and asks that I leave it unloaded with the slide in the open position until I am out of his sight or he is out of mine
t may NOT be the exact letter of the law, but if it makes one of my sworn officers comfortable for that small amount of time out of my life, I will gladly offer to do so.
I don't think that will set a bad precidence that will effect my future CCW or second amendment rights.
Remember, this is the guy that drives/runs TOWARD the gunshots fired in anger...and puts his butt on the line everyday.
If this small show of respect on my part puts him more at ease with My little traffic stop...well it's not too much to ask, for me anyway.
All true, but they still stand between you and I, and the dirtbags of the world...and so they get extra respect and cooperation from ME!Nothing magical about putting on a LE uniform. Officers are just people too. Some good, some bad
All true, but they still stand between you and I, and the dirtbags of the world...and so they get extra respect and cooperation from ME!
The LAST thing I'm gonna do is get a defensive attitude...likely that will NOT end well.
ou may have a point there TCB.
Perhaps I'm brainwashed by too much TV, and what I "want" to believe.
I was also for sometime wanting to be a policeman, then after seeing some of the stuff with my LEO relatives(not using car seats for their children, etc), and riding along (as yourself) with law enforcement I was disillusioned. It's a Little thing, I know...but it does speak volumes.
Then after learning about the whole "all civilians are ____" attitude I kinda realized that it wasn't exactly about "helping people". Again, I'm not busting on LEO here, just speaking about the nature of the job from what I've seen.
So you may have some valid points TCB, and I probably just try (perhaps blindly) "to keep a positive attitude" and give each the benefit of the doubt (as being the exception) when I have to deal with them. I ran into a good one yesterday, in fact...who took the "reality" of the situation into acount, and gave me some "officer discretion" in my favor...on a traffic issue. It was Coming home from a "Cabella's" nightmare, with my pistol on the front seat that I had intended to trade in at Cabella's.
Never will I shop at the gun counter at Cabella's again!
The whole trip was a nightmare, but that's another story. He was one of the "good ones"...but I gave good attitude to start with.
I seriously thought about becoming a LEO as well. I have watched as very, very good officers were cussed and ridiculed for doing their job, and watched them behave in a respectful, professional manner. I have watched a couple of cowboy officers who really scared me, as well. My main concern is the mentality about an officer having a bad day. We talk a lot on here about the responsibility of those of us who conceal carry, and yet some of those same people will give just about ANY LEO a pass on improper behavior just because of the badge. My cousin (who is a THP officer) made the statement that bad cops are worse than criminals. They not only break the law, the break the publics trust. (He happens to be one officer I greatly admire.) I also have a good friend on the TBI who I have heard make very similar comments. I want to thank all of you good LEOs out there for you service. I am NOT anti LEO, I am very much anti BAD LEO, Power Tripping LEO, and the US against them LEO.
Then after learning about the whole "all civilians are ____" attitude I kinda realized that it wasn't exactly about "helping people". Again, I'm not busting on LEO here, just speaking about the nature of the job from what I've seen.