Backpacking gun?

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Well, hopefully he decided months ago.:D If not, well, I use a Glock 29 with 200gr DT loads. But that's in black bear country. In Grizzly land, I think I'd opt for the 1911 and a 460 Rowland conversion.
 
I call it as I see it. Backpacking firearms comes up from time to time and the answers often fail to address the question. There are two issues here, firearm and backpacking, and one location; Western Washington. Backpacking is not meandering around in the forest 100 yards from your truck, it’s carrying everything you need for however long you intend to be out (and here’s the important part) on your back. Food, shelter, etc, on your back, often for many miles.

Since I own firearms (and participate in firearms forums) and hike/backpack (and participate in hiking/backpacking forums) I offer my advice based on my experience. It’s rare among the hikers in the hiking forum to even see a bear, and they haven’t proven to be any trouble to the hikers. The most recent ‘incident’ involved a goat, not a bear. Bear encounters are rare, incidents with a bear that would require the use of a firearm for protection are so infinitesimally rare as to be considered nonexistent. The only bear incident I recall in years of participating in the hike forums was where a bear repeatedly, for several hours, charged a backpacker in his tent in the middle of the night. He was unarmed and never mentioned running out and buying a gun even after that harrowing experience. The bear did its thing and left.

The second thread drift comes from the idea that every bear is an enraged 18 foot tall Alaskan grizzly, robbed of her cubs, hopped up on PCP, with a rabid squirrel living in its rectum. All year around, I, and hundreds of other hikers and backpackers, are crawling all over the Olympic and Cascade Ranges, plunking down tents, frolicking in the trees, and trying to catch a glimpse of a bear or cougar. 99% or more of those hikers are unarmed. Of the 1% that are armed, half carry bear spray instead of a gun.

I owned a Ruger Alaskan and I loved it, but it was too heavy for backpacking. I left it home on several solo off trail hikes because my pack weighed too much. You see, I hike when I feel like hiking, not when I can get a group together. I also prefer to venture off the trail to fish remote lakes or summit remote peaks. I’m not the only one who solo hikes either. So I offer my advice based on what I know, experienced, and have seen. Let the OP decide what advice he will take.
+1! Way too much over-reaction to the big, bad bear.
 
My 100th post wooo hooo !! :evil:

I wounder if david58 ever made it out of the woods alive ... or is he rotting on the trail somewhere in a pile of bear pooo :what:

he OP'd almost 6-months ago :rolleyes:
 
This is my camping/backpacking gun. Stuffed with 180 grain hard cast lead flat points it'll stop just about anything I might run into up in my part of the mountains.

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Around were I live we don't have any Black Bear or Griz so my choice for a Backpacking handgun will be a bit smaller than some of the ones mentioned in this thread but for me in South Eastern OKLA. I think I can suffice completely with my Ruger GP100 light .38 loads for bagging small game and full power house .357 loads for the occasional feral hog(and 2 legged varmits) I know the gun is a bit heavy but I think with the proper holster I could manage just fine.
 
Armed for (Polar) Bear ...

Well, here's what the Danish Sledgepatrol Sirius carries for random encounters with polar bears up near the artic circle in northern Greenland:

"The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably. The standard SIG210 sidearm was recently replaced by the 10mm Glock 20, as the stopping power of multiple 9mm rounds proved to be insufficient against a polar bear. The members are recruited from the regular services and must be sergeants at least.***"

See third paragraph in this linky:
http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Denmark/

Like the Danes say...
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Guess some people here need to hit the gym more often, ... hmmmm? ;)

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Try a snubby 44 Mag

This was my companion when I hiked in the Cascades. Its a good weight, easy to conceal, and packs a punch. I couldn't be happier with the purchase. A 629 is a little too heavy. This is just right!
 

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A S&W 329 is less than one ounce heavier than a glock 29. The sectional density of 300gr/.429 is higher than 200gr/.400, and for bear defense I want all the penetration I can get.

While 10mm is a powerful round, I think I'd prefer 44M. YMMV, of course.

I'm curious how people load 10mm for brown bears - the usual advice for max penetration is to load wide meplat hard casts. I have always heard Glock advises against lead bullets. Is the Glock 29 different? Are wide meplat FMJ bullets available, and will they feed reliably?

(Not trying to dis the 10mm - the gun you have beats no gun, and Glock is a reliable, lightweight package. But it seems a little less optimal than 44M for backpacking brown bear defense)
 
I guess the lack of a response either means he gave up on finding something acceptable for bear defense, decided that bears aren't that much of a threat, or died.
 
You also start looking at barrel length when you mention the g29. I prefer at least a 4.25" for the 10mm to really shine. Likewise a snubby 44mag is inferior to a nice long barreled one, obviously. (Two of my friends carry .44mag 6" for their backpacking guns.)

IMO, however, I like the 15 rounds of 10mm over the 5 or 6 of .44 mag. I also find the 10mm far more controllable. For bear defense I just use standard 200gr FMJ at the highest velocity I can find. (I'm quite fond of Double Tap 10mm.)
 
Cryogaijin is right about the G20's 4.6" tube being more optimal for maximizing the 10mm's energy out-put. For me, the very penetrative 200gn 10mm Hornady FMJ-FP @ DT's velocity of 1275fps/722fpe is a great load and feeds without a hitch.

I'm curious how people load 10mm for brown bears - the usual advice for max penetration is to load wide meplat hard casts. I have always heard Glock advises against lead bullets. Is the Glock 29 different? Are wide meplat FMJ bullets available, and will they feed reliably?

(Not trying to dis the 10mm - the gun you have beats no gun, and Glock is a reliable, lightweight package. But it seems a little less optimal than 44M for backpacking brown bear defense)

Thus far, the only problem reported with the 210gn/220gn/230gn HC bullets (and they're really haven't been that many), as loaded by Buffalo Bore and Double Tap, is the occasional hiccup in feeding on the ramp.

As far as lead boolits generally, some Glock 10mm users (20 or 29) opt for swapping out the factory barrel for one of the match-grade aftermarket tubes from Bar-Sto, LWD, KKM, etc., specifically in order to do extensive shooting with the HC lead projectiles, whether factory loads or their own reloads.

And nothing against a good revolver, but most of these 6-shot magnum boat-achors that people champion for bear defense in the course of these debates end up riding inside a backpack rather than on the user's hip or in a SH, where you can immediately access it when needed.

In contrast, Alaskan 10mm users who own one of the 10mm Glocks actually report carrying them when out in the boonies and do so in a rig from which they can yank it right now if Mr. Bear 'rounds the bend.

Just sayin' ... :rolleyes:
 
This is going to sound weird to anyone who has never sawed a toothbrush in half to save weight.

I weighed a Garrett 310 44M load - 6 of them weigh 5.86 oz, so 25.1 oz for a 329 makes a total weight of 30.96 oz.

I see Doubletap makes a 230gr wide meplat 10mm load (anyone know if that works/is safe in Glocks? Their website gives Glock velocities, so probably). I weighed a 40S&W 180 cartridge and added 50gr to guesstimate that 15 or those weigh something like 10 oz, so a full Glock 20 is going to be something like 37 oz (oops - the Glock website guesses 39 oz loaded).

Of course, you get 9 extra shots for the extra 8 oz, and you could always carry less than full capacity.

Controllability is certainly a factor - the 329 is a handful. It would be fun to try a G20 and heavy loads.

Having a wide meplat load is nice - IIUC, wide meplat loads penetrate rather better than even equivalent FMJ round nose loads, because they are less likely to yaw. And the 230/10mm load still has less sectional density than the 310 44M. But that's a tradeoff against weight, capacity, and controllability.

I think we need a research grant :)
 
haha pintler, i have a sawed-off toothbrush as well ;)

lightweight backpacking truly becomes an obsession when you start doing stuff like cutting off excess straps and cutting your toothbrush in half!!



but for me, i found my S&W mod 66 .357 a bit too heavy, so i stick with my ruger LCP. i carry this more for protection against 2-legged preds, not griz on steroids ;) i'll bring my .44 loaded with hots for that!
 
.357. It's just too versitile to pass over. Carryable, concealable, capable. If you carry a .22 what are you saving? Some of the new .357's are very light. And if you have to, it will serve you well as a loud, emergency signalling device to summon aid.
 
For backpacking out in the middle of the sierras I keep my little glock36 with me. It's light enough to carry without bother in some of that rugged terrain, and its plastic so not as worried about it getting banged up as i would be of some of my other guns. 6 rounds should be enough to scare off or put down whatever is crazy enough to attack me. Hasn't happened and doubt it will but if it does this little 45 is all I need.

In California with a hunting license I believe you can carry concealed but not loaded
 
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