Stevie-Ray
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Well, hopefully he decided months ago. If not, well, I use a Glock 29 with 200gr DT loads. But that's in black bear country. In Grizzly land, I think I'd opt for the 1911 and a 460 Rowland conversion.
+1! Way too much over-reaction to the big, bad bear.I call it as I see it. Backpacking firearms comes up from time to time and the answers often fail to address the question. There are two issues here, firearm and backpacking, and one location; Western Washington. Backpacking is not meandering around in the forest 100 yards from your truck, it’s carrying everything you need for however long you intend to be out (and here’s the important part) on your back. Food, shelter, etc, on your back, often for many miles.
Since I own firearms (and participate in firearms forums) and hike/backpack (and participate in hiking/backpacking forums) I offer my advice based on my experience. It’s rare among the hikers in the hiking forum to even see a bear, and they haven’t proven to be any trouble to the hikers. The most recent ‘incident’ involved a goat, not a bear. Bear encounters are rare, incidents with a bear that would require the use of a firearm for protection are so infinitesimally rare as to be considered nonexistent. The only bear incident I recall in years of participating in the hike forums was where a bear repeatedly, for several hours, charged a backpacker in his tent in the middle of the night. He was unarmed and never mentioned running out and buying a gun even after that harrowing experience. The bear did its thing and left.
The second thread drift comes from the idea that every bear is an enraged 18 foot tall Alaskan grizzly, robbed of her cubs, hopped up on PCP, with a rabid squirrel living in its rectum. All year around, I, and hundreds of other hikers and backpackers, are crawling all over the Olympic and Cascade Ranges, plunking down tents, frolicking in the trees, and trying to catch a glimpse of a bear or cougar. 99% or more of those hikers are unarmed. Of the 1% that are armed, half carry bear spray instead of a gun.
I owned a Ruger Alaskan and I loved it, but it was too heavy for backpacking. I left it home on several solo off trail hikes because my pack weighed too much. You see, I hike when I feel like hiking, not when I can get a group together. I also prefer to venture off the trail to fish remote lakes or summit remote peaks. I’m not the only one who solo hikes either. So I offer my advice based on what I know, experienced, and have seen. Let the OP decide what advice he will take.
"The weapons carried also reflect the harsh conditions. Only bolt-action rifles (M17/M53) perform reliably. The standard SIG210 sidearm was recently replaced by the 10mm Glock 20, as the stopping power of multiple 9mm rounds proved to be insufficient against a polar bear. The members are recruited from the regular services and must be sergeants at least.***"
I'm curious how people load 10mm for brown bears - the usual advice for max penetration is to load wide meplat hard casts. I have always heard Glock advises against lead bullets. Is the Glock 29 different? Are wide meplat FMJ bullets available, and will they feed reliably?
(Not trying to dis the 10mm - the gun you have beats no gun, and Glock is a reliable, lightweight package. But it seems a little less optimal than 44M for backpacking brown bear defense)