CraigC
Sixgun Nut
So tell me again why we should be paying more for a S&W than we do for a Ruger??? What exactly are we getting for the money?I'd bet the price increase would have more if they hadn't used MIM.
So tell me again why we should be paying more for a S&W than we do for a Ruger??? What exactly are we getting for the money?I'd bet the price increase would have more if they hadn't used MIM.
your SP101 probably doesn't have MIM
Injection-molding parts is a cost cutting method which is perfectly appropriate in a value-oriented gun like Ruger.
You will not find it in high end revolvers and even many faux-high-end revolvers like special edition S&Ws.
That said...if I were a Ruger guy I would not complain about injection-molded parts in my cast-framed revolver.
Ruger was created to be a value gun. Cost-cutting methods have been employed since the first .22 with a sheet metal frame.
It is their way. And they fill a market and they fill it well.
Do I wish every gun was made as well as my surplus Swiss Army Pistol?
Yes. Can I pay that much for every gun? No
That is why it is just fine for bargain gun manufacturers to cut corners.
Elegance is why I pay more for an older S&W than any Ruger DA.
It will be interesting to watch all the folks who preached "S&W's use MIM and therefore are worthless junk, not like our glorious Rugers..." dance around the use of MIM parts by ... Ruger!
Jim
It's a .44Spl and it will digest as many 1200fps Keith loads I want to feed it. I really couldn't care less how tough a new Ruger DA is because that is a game I do not wish to play. Been there, done that, don't want the T-shirt. I do not care at all for Ruger DA's and only own the one I have because it is a .480. So yes, I do place elegance above brute strength when it comes to DA's because I perceive it as more important but it is not the only reason why I choose older S&W's over Ruger DA's. I have little or no use for the .357 cartridge and thus, GP's and Sixes need not apply. The Redhawk is really too much beef for the .44Mag and .45Colt, with the loads I would use a DA for. An N-frame is much more svelte, handles much "better" and accepts FAR more comfortable grips with a much "better" action. Not to even mention far "better" machining, fit & finish. That 6½" model 24 is a full 10oz lighter than a 7½" Redhawk.Im not sure what caliber that smith is but I'm guessing its not going to digest as many Buffalo Bore hot rounds as a new RUGER DA.
Yep!MIM is only one of the cost cutting measures that has led to the "older is better" mentality.
If you can show there is NO MIM part that is AS GOOD as its counter part which you can't.
right for you, not for another. point I was making.with the loads I would use a DA for
for you no for me yes. see what I'm saying? There is no universal better, for anything.I also do not equate "better" with stronger. A Ruger is stronger than a USFA but that does not make it "better".
for you no for me yes. see what I'm saying? There is no universal better, for anything.
I like my super red hawk thats beefed up far beyond what a 44 mag needs.
I've never done anything but explain the reasoning behind MY choices. It is purely an individual choice. However, the fact remains that forged parts will always be stronger than MIM parts. Period. End of discussion. Not up for debate, or shouldn't be. What may be up for debate is whether or not MIM parts are "good enough". As has been stated, MIM parts are not the only thing contributing to the poor value of current S&W's.right for you, not for another. point I was making.
What may be up for debate is whether or not MIM parts are "good enough".
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If you can show there is NO MIM part that is AS GOOD as its counter part which you can't.
I can and I have...repeatedly