Bagged speeding - Also almost made a HUGE, possible life altering mistake.

[MrTwigg]

This is what helps me slow down

For each violation:
20% surcharge (Increase) on insurance for the next six years.

Others have said it, I will too.
Slow down.
It could be my kid you hit.

Have a better tomorrow.

 

[Majic]

I'll just give you something else to think about. Trucks aren't the best vehicles to be speeding on twisting roads. They generally don't have the suspension for it and they generally have a higher center of gravity. If you have to make a quick manuever because something suddenly appears in the road you may find this out the hard way.

 

[Meplat]

As I'm pulling over I:
1. Turn off the radio.
2. Pull out my wallet and registration and toss them on the dash.
3. Turn on the interior light.
4. Roll down the driver's window.
5. Turn the car off.
6. Place both hands high on the wheel in plain sight.

When the officer asks for my license and registration, I don't have to reach behind myself or open anything up, it's all right there where everyone can see it so no one needs to get too nervous.

The only thing I do differently than you is to place one hand in plain sight on the rolled down window, and one hand at twelve o'clock on the wheel. In plain sight (hey - these guys want to go home after work too, and I don't blame them) without apearing to "assume the position". Not that both hands on the wheel appears that way, but I have some friends who place their hands on the dashboard like they are either about to be frisked or to get a prostate exam. With both hands widely separated, it leaves (at least it seems to me) no room for the officer to think I might make any sudden and/or rash moves. Your whole list is good logical advice, and not only helps the officer's nerves, but lets him know that you recognize the fact that he "gotcha" and just seems to be common courtesy to me. It certainly doesn't cost anything to let these guys know that you want them to go home to their families too.

 

[sturmruger]

Rockrivr1 I know what you mean I love to drive fast expecially when there are lots of fun corners! Unfortunetly I have enough speeding tickets that I am being forced to slow way down. I now only speed when I have people driving faster then me.

 

[Mannlicher]

I tend to drive pretty fast also. I got stopped once in the past 15 years or so. Lucky, yeah, but I keep a pretty good eye out. I have no problem at all wtih 55 in a 35 here in Miami. Glad you got off without anything worse happening.
So far as the piece goes, I carry my car gun in a leather holster that fits between the seat and rocker panel. Much easier to get to then trying to reach around the seat belt, or into the pants pocket. If you need it, it will almost always be an instant need.

I guess I don't have the experience some of you guys in being stopped. Wow, a whole, well thought out, and well practiced, set of moves to go through. Almost sounds like you need a check list on a clipboard.

 

[threefeathers]

I have absolutely no remorse for you. I have a 5 year old niece who is paraplegic because of a bum like you. This turd was angry that the little brat got in his way. You will go on until you kill some one completely innocent and then in hind site regret it. I don't think you need to be a gun owner or a driver until you show some maturity.

 

[Meplat]

Speed trap @ 11pm in a residential area?

Go to court, and make the officer prove how fast you were going.

I just can't buy into that. 55 in a residential zone is waaay extreme. If I've done wrong, and know it, how can I in good conscience fight it? He admitted he was wrong and knew it. Lil' bro called me one day, asked me if I knew anyone on the HP. Told him "sure". Asked if I thought they could "help him out of a bind". Asked what kind of "bind". Said he had gotten a ticket on the interstate coming home. Asked "How bad?" He said "Coulda been a lot worse."
I asked "Whatta you mean?" He told me he saw the trooper coming from the other direction and immediately pulled over and waited for him to get to the next exit, turn around and come get him because he KNEW what was in store.
Trooper asked him if he knew how fast he was going, and brother told him, "No sir, my speedo only goes to 110." Since he had pulled over immediately and not further pissed the trooper off, and was more than apparently repentant for his stupid ass actions (and perhaps - I dunno, because the trooper didn't want to go through the paperwork for lockin his ass up) he let him off with a ticket for 85. At twenty over here, you go to the pokey. After hearing his tale out, I told him flat out "Bro, if I KNEW anyone that could help you beat a 117 mph speeding ticket, I wouldn't." Thing is, had he been even just REASONABLY stoopid, with the cooperation he provided he probably would have gotten off with a warning.

Be polite. Be cooperative. But don't let them get away with anything either.

Since the original post confessed he KNEW he was wrong, and that the officer was right, I don't see how that "is letting them get away with anything." Just a different take on things, I reckon.

Kind of like the time I got a ticket for following too close and being the fastest car on the road. The judge looked at the cop and said, "which is it?".

The Officer didn't know that they were mutually exclusive and cancelled each other out. He thought he was really socking it too me. The judge just shook his head and wished me a nice day.


I thought it was almost impossible to get a carry permit in MA.

THAT'S the kind it pays to fight and is right to fight. Same lil bro in above story was squirrel hunting with a 16 gauge shotgun in the "between" dog and gun seasons on my Dad's land. Gung ho game warden (well known and hated by the local magistrates for his anal attitudes) came "slipping" down on my Dad's place. Brother saw him from a couple of hundred yards away. When he reached the tree my brother was leaning up against, bro said "Hello" and scared the piss out of him. Game warden asked him to see what kind of load he had in his shotgun, bro broke open the action (single shot) and it ejected the No. six shot shell. Bro bent over to pick it up, and a 12 gauge shell buckshot shell fell out of the vest pocket. 16 gauge shotgun, 12 shell. You see the idiocy of the "hunting deer out season" ticket. Long story a bit less long, the GW wanted to look like a badass in court, testified that he found the shell when he searched my bro.

Judge took one look at him, asked if had probable cause to be on private property, GW says "Errr...no...was just 'checking things out'. " Judge asked him if he had probable cause to search bro..."Errr...no...just 'checking things out'." Judge asked if GW had ANY idea in hell (his words) how to fire a 12 gauge load in a 16 gauge shotgun. GW says "Errr...no." Judge took one contemptuous look at the GW and said "Get the hell out of my courtroom! Next!"

Time to fight for your rights is when you're in the right is the moral of my story, I guess.

 

[Double Maduro]

Meplat,

I re-read the original and it doesn't say he knew he was doing 55. I know many roads where 35 is considered "flying". If the differance of 5 miles an hour makes a big buck ticket a smaller buck ticket, I would ask for proof of how fast I was going.

I have only received 3 tickets in my life that stuck, 2 (the last 2) were on the weekend the 55 limit went into effect. I went to court on all three and although I still paid a fine, on the last 2, it was greatly reduced.

I agree, if you are guilty you should pay, in this case I would want proof of how fast I was going.

DM

 

[MrMex]

What I can't belive is that you like to drive fast BUT own a truck. Sounds like an oxymoron to me, oh and get a better radar detector, Valentine 1's are tops! unless the instant on you, then you're screwed.

 

[chas_martel]

I love speeding stories.

I was once clocked at 120 in a 20.

No ticket.

When he walked up to my car he asked
"what seems to be the problem?"

I replied "Well sir, I am just a f*cked up as*hole."

He said "Well I am glad you got that part right."

And then he proceeded to give me a good a** chewing..

Which of course I desearved.

 

[spacemanspiff]

it must be just a subconscious defensive action to conjure up excuses. 'it was stressful'. 'i worked from x:00 till xx:00'.

heard a lot of them at an Alcohol Awareness class i attended as part of the sentencing from a DWI 9 years ago.
"i had a bad day at work, needed to take the edge off so i stopped at the bar for a few drinks."
"my kids were bugging me, and my husband was upset, and my cousin kept asking me to go to the bar so i went and had a few drinks."
"my love life was in the crapper, just broke up with my boyfriend, and had a long island ice tea before driving home."

as each person told their story, i noticed their complete lack of personal responsibility. when it came my turn, i said "i felt like getting drunk."


hopefully one day rockrivr, you'll take personal responsibility, and not blame your actions on outside influences. hopefully, it won't take hurting or killing some other driver or pedestrian before you come to that.

 

[45Badger]

Frankly I think you are a immature smart ass and if I had the say I would pull both your driver's license and carry permit. Your judgement leaves something to be desired. I hope to God that you don't kill somebody either with your truck or weapon.

Ditto. Grow up. Fast, aggressive driving is for little boys and their toys. The idiot who wraps himself around a tree, t-bones a soccer mom in her grocery-getter, or splatters little Johnny on his bike is ALWAYS the one who thinks that they have better reflexes, are better trained, etc. It's the wanna-bes who are dangerous (guns and cars)

Nascar drivers drive like little old ladies on the street, Navy SEALs don't start bar fights, and professional firefighters don't recklessly run into every burning building they see. Why? They're disciplined professionals without Walter Mitty complexes.

Sorry to rant, but your behavior is entirely under your control. Don't give us any crap about "deeply ingrained". You can change any bad habit you want.

 

[HerrWolfe]

If a LEO, for some reason other than you pulling a gun, goes postal and starts firing at you, do you have a duty to get shot? Can you fight back? Just what do you do except die? Just thought of this and have no idea what to do except get shot or run.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I note that you are from Massachusetts, where it is my understanding that personal carry permits are difficult to obtain, and that your reference to "CCW" apparently referred to your weapon rather than to your permit.

Out of curiosity:

1) DO YOU HAVE a concealed carry permit?

2) Does Massachusetts have a requirement that CCW holders notify an officer if they are carrying and interface with an LEO in an official context?

I don't think we have all the facts here.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Meplat,

I re-read the original and it doesn't say he knew he was doing 55. I know many roads where 35 is considered "flying". If the differance of 5 miles an hour makes a big buck ticket a smaller buck ticket, I would ask for proof of how fast I was going.

I don't know of ANY roads where 55 is considered "flying." The original poster may not know how fast he was going, but from the way the entire narrative progressed I'll be very surprised if it was 55. My guess is that it was actually a whole lot faster than that.

 

[joab]

Rockrivr1 and I both must have accidently run across the Holier Than Thou Driver's Ed section of the forum by mistake.

While every body is calling him a smart assed turd for driving fast ,which I'm sure nobody else here has ever done, they have completely missed the firearms (what the site is about) portion of the lesson.
And an important one it is. Can anybody even tell us what that lesson is.
Or do we need to keep hammering the point that he was speeding from our high horses(which are certainly not traveling The High Road), something which he has not attempted to deny or worm his way out of

 

[RonC]

There are ways to purge the urge for speed - take your vehicle to a track day. There are 3 auto-motorcycle race tracks within comfortable driving distance of my house. I can do the straights at 120 mph and the sweeping curves at 100 on my motorcycle. On the street, however, I am a pussycat.

As for the gun: I'm glad you did get it straight before getting yourself in very deep kimpshi. We all should practice not just shooting targets, but also our draw and target acquisition until it is second nature. Once you can react correctly intuitively, you'll never get into the situation you were in with the LEO.

Ron

 

[Standing Wolf]

I'm partial to Highway 50 across Nevada. It's billed as the "lonliest road in America." If it's not, it's certainly one of the loneliest.

 

[joebogey]

joab

I don't always agree with your every post.
But this one I agree with completely.

The last a$$ chewin I took for speeding was from an insurance agent who made some of the very same remarks made here.
Although all my tickets (2) had been no more than 10 over on interstates only and I was drivin right at 80,000 to 100,000 miles a year.
That same agent 6 months later was caught diverting funds from policy payments to his private account.

What's that old saying about glass houses....

 

[f4t9r]

hopefully lesson learned on driving and what to reach for !!
Never pays to be in a hurry

 

[Meplat]

Meplat,

I re-read the original and it doesn't say he knew he was doing 55.

I too re-read the post, and by doggies you are correct. Guess the part that threw me was this:

Within a few seconds the officer was out of his cruiser and at my window. He looks directly at me and states "Do you have a good reason for driving 55 in a 30 mph zone!?" Let me just add that the guy was pissed. Not to mention he was in desparate need of a breath mint. But I digress I look at him and very calmly state, "Not really". As usual in these situations he states "License and registration!"

I took that as a tacit admission that Rockrvr was indeed admitting to the facts of the crime as presented by the officer.

I know many roads where 35 is considered "flying". If the differance of 5 miles an hour makes a big buck ticket a smaller buck ticket, I would ask for proof of how fast I was going.

Looking at things in that light, what you say does make sense, if Rockrvr had any doubts at all that he was indeed at the 55 mph mark. I took it from his "forum confession" that he wasn't arguing that he was guilty as charged. I can now see that while not denying guilt, he never actually confirmed the degree of guilt (at least not to us), and if it were actually of lesser degree, he did have a right to see proof. Especially when degree can make a difference as to the penalty phase.

I have only received 3 tickets in my life that stuck, 2 (the last 2) were on the weekend the 55 limit went into effect. I went to court on all three and although I still paid a fine, on the last 2, it was greatly reduced.

I agree, if you are guilty you should pay, in this case I would want proof of how fast I was going.

DM

Taken in that context, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[SASS#23149]

Hopefully the same cop gets you again

and reams your butt to the full extent of the law!
People die every day from people going too fast and driving like frigging idiots.
You can't take back an 'OOPS' from a car wreck.DEAD IS DEAD,and it don't matter that you were 'having a hard day'.
Next time go ahead and pull that piece,someone else may stay alive because of it!!

 

[Meplat]

If a LEO, for some reason other than you pulling a gun, goes postal and starts firing at you, do you have a duty to get shot? Can you fight back? Just what do you do except die? Just thought of this and have no idea what to do except get shot or run.

Not sure where this fits into the thread at all.

Even less sure of why it was posted. Do you know of any case of this ever happening?

 

[hot head]

Your family would have had a life changing ,not just you, please be safe life is to short for silly mistake.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

While every body is calling him a smart assed turd for driving fast ,which I'm sure nobody else here has ever done, they have completely missed the firearms (what the site is about) portion of the lesson.
And an important one it is. Can anybody even tell us what that lesson is.
Or do we need to keep hammering the point that he was speeding from our high horses(which are certainly not traveling The High Road), something which he has not attempted to deny or worm his way out of

What is the lesson?

I am not at all clear if "CCW" in the original post referred to a license to carry a concealed weapon, or a concealed weapon. Upon a careful re-reading of the post, I am left with the impression that what he had in his pocket was the pistol, and that there was no mention of having a CCW permit.

So ... is the lesson here that one should not pull a gun on a police officer unannounced? Or is the lesson here that one should not carry a concealed handgun if one does not have the requiered license to do so?