BATF wants to talk to me
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Guitargod1985
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So, consulting with legal counsel constitutes an admission of guilt in your eyes? I didn't see that in my copy of the Bill of Rights. Can you point it out for me?
If speaking with an attorney means you have something to hide then carrying a gun must mean you are looking for trouble, huh?
Sixtigers
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Maybe I'm not following the thread as closely as I should, but did I read that you bought two pistols, a Ruger MkII and a Smith and Wesson, then sold the Smith two weeks later? Unless you're purposely buying guns for the purpose of reselling them, why would you do that?
I don't make that much, so it usually takes me a bit before I get enough scratch to purchase guns I've been jonesing for...I certainly don't sell 'em two weeks later! In fact, in the few cases I have sold weapons, I usually end up regretting it...I miss 'em!
I may not have understood the post...and it isn't any of my business why and how you buy your weapons, but maybe that's what they're looking at?
(I could see why an individual would buy and then immediately sell a purchased weapon: bad day at the range, gun doesn't "feel" right, weapon not perfect for the use intended, etc...)
I don't make that much, so it usually takes me a bit before I get enough scratch to purchase guns I've been jonesing for...I certainly don't sell 'em two weeks later! In fact, in the few cases I have sold weapons, I usually end up regretting it...I miss 'em!
I may not have understood the post...and it isn't any of my business why and how you buy your weapons, but maybe that's what they're looking at?
(I could see why an individual would buy and then immediately sell a purchased weapon: bad day at the range, gun doesn't "feel" right, weapon not perfect for the use intended, etc...)
"Is this the new THR debating strategy? I've seen it several times this week.
People post asking for evidence since they are convinced such evidence doesn't exist, then when they learn that it DOES exist they start to try to discredit it without even looking at it.
That's not a very useful strategy I have to say..... If you take time to look at and understand the evidence and have an argument about why it's wrong, that's good debating. Immediately going to the "well that can't be right" tact without even looking into it makes you seem, let's say, "not high road"."
maybe you previously worked for the Bush administration and was one that advocated for the invasion of Iraq based solely on one source that hasn't ever been vetted. As I said before, do research on Curveball. I hope you don't plan to be a lawyer, defense attorney or prosecutor, you will never win with your debate "tactics".
People post asking for evidence since they are convinced such evidence doesn't exist, then when they learn that it DOES exist they start to try to discredit it without even looking at it.
That's not a very useful strategy I have to say..... If you take time to look at and understand the evidence and have an argument about why it's wrong, that's good debating. Immediately going to the "well that can't be right" tact without even looking into it makes you seem, let's say, "not high road"."
maybe you previously worked for the Bush administration and was one that advocated for the invasion of Iraq based solely on one source that hasn't ever been vetted. As I said before, do research on Curveball. I hope you don't plan to be a lawyer, defense attorney or prosecutor, you will never win with your debate "tactics".
JWF III
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I think he meant that he bought the two guns in a two week period of time. And though he still owns the Ruger, he has since sold the Smith. Not that he sold the Smith 2 weeks after buying it.
Either way, get a good (gun law) lawyer. If Sixtigers is right, and I'm wrong, get a great criminal defense lawyer, you'll possibly need it.
Wyman
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You got me, I'm Karl Rove. What that has to do with this issue is beyond me but yes, I am Karl Rove.
Buy my book.
Prince Yamato
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Just go to talk to them and ask what all the hubbub is about. Did you buy any used guns? Maybe one of them was reported stolen and they want to inform you. You'll never know until you ask. It's probably no big deal.
I think you should contact them and most likely put your mind at ease. It also makes you look less guilty of whatever they may be suspecting. And it will let you know if you do need to hire a lawyer.
To quote a friend of mine: "The BATFE agents love guns, they just don't want you to have them."
To quote a friend of mine: "The BATFE agents love guns, they just don't want you to have them."
MisterMike
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With all due respect to those who shared these comments, I would urge that you contact a lawyer.
No need to be nervous without cause, right you are. Speaking for myself, I don't disparage fellow citizens that are rightly nervous about the growing hostility to everything related to firearms- I try to help in what little way I can.
I know about the BATF and what they did in Texas, the infrared film exposed that they lied about the actions there - I know this for a scientific fact- first hand.
Good general rule: Happenings that are revealed as real, true, absolute, proven, scientific fact usually aren't.
On the main subject, I have a gun buying problem. I hunt for oddwads and old guns, and often find two or three at the same dealer at the same time. The result is that I have been reported several times for mulitple purchases. Nothing has ever come of it, and I have not heard from BATFE.
I am sure a multiple sale of a Remington Model 51 and a Hopkins & Allen revolver doesn't excite interest like multiple purchases of AR-15's, so maybe they pay more attention to some reports than others.
Jim
On the main subject, I have a gun buying problem. I hunt for oddwads and old guns, and often find two or three at the same dealer at the same time. The result is that I have been reported several times for mulitple purchases. Nothing has ever come of it, and I have not heard from BATFE.
I am sure a multiple sale of a Remington Model 51 and a Hopkins & Allen revolver doesn't excite interest like multiple purchases of AR-15's, so maybe they pay more attention to some reports than others.
Jim
You said you have been buying 2 or 3 guns per month. How many of those did you resell? If you only kept a few, the ATF might accuse you of being an unlicensed dealer. On the other hand, if all of these guns are still in your safe than you are fine.
BATF
I stopped one time to have a Fish cop see if I was on his list to run problem Bears and Cat's, I did not have license with me, so he punched me up by name and addy, the laptop in his rig listed me and a list of the firearms I have bought over the years! He made the remark that I had a few guns. I remember reading somewhere that congress had told the BATF that there is no reason for them to keep us in their system after we are cleared. I believe it is 3 days they keep us in their computer before they delete our info, the reason being it gives the states time to obtain our info and keep a record of our purchases, so they can get around the Law. Does anyone else have a take on this? Just my .02 ..........hounder
I stopped one time to have a Fish cop see if I was on his list to run problem Bears and Cat's, I did not have license with me, so he punched me up by name and addy, the laptop in his rig listed me and a list of the firearms I have bought over the years! He made the remark that I had a few guns. I remember reading somewhere that congress had told the BATF that there is no reason for them to keep us in their system after we are cleared. I believe it is 3 days they keep us in their computer before they delete our info, the reason being it gives the states time to obtain our info and keep a record of our purchases, so they can get around the Law. Does anyone else have a take on this? Just my .02 ..........hounder
waterhouse
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What state do you live in?
I know for a fact that on a federal level the make and model of the firearm are never entered into the system when background checks are done.
The only two ways this information could be collected on a federal level:
1) Multiple handgun purchase forms
2) Physical visits to your dealer to view 4473s/bound books.
State level databases may contain whatever information your state collects, but once again, they don't get it from the Feds, because the Feds don't have it. Dealers submit your name, DOB, race, and a few other physical descriptors. The only information about the firearm is "long gun" or "handgun."
If you are concerned about your state collecting data about the make, model, and serial number of your firearm, you can contact your state level elected officials.
si vis pacem
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I highly recommend at least meeting with an attorney who's worth his salt regarding federal firearms law.
mmu1t1 said:
They haven't done anything yet, so saying that they are harassing you is a bit much.
That being said, contact your lawyer and if they do call on you, then tell them you would rather interview with your lawyer present and can you schedule a time. Be polite. Do not let them search anything, look at anything. Your lawyer will advise from there.
I hope for your sake though, that you are not a straw buyer or selling lots of guns without an FFL... That would be sucky.
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Errrrr...
That is a line cops use to get you to do something against your better judgment. For example, even if they look and find nothing that doesn't eliminate you as a suspect. If you do not let them look, that doesn't confirm you as a suspect either. So you might as well make exercise your right to ensure that you continue to enjoy them.
Talking to the police cannot help you. It can, however, hurt you.
lol
I don't really care, and haven't looked at the videos, but I've personally been told by some detectives (when I was a child) that they had my fingerprints at some crime scene, and they would arrest me. By that I mean small town cops in the 80's were lying to try to get me to incriminate myself, why wouldn't federal agencies?
rcmodel
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Like Nicolis Cage said, "I bet it isn't about the Alcohol & Tobacco".
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Do a little research and you'll find texasrifleman is quite right. The batf does not have a good record when dealing with citizen gun owners. Why do you think the NRA has gone to court so many times to defend gun owners. As far as being exposed by the media for a training film. PLEASE !!!!!! Do you really expect the media to harrass a government organization that is run by administrators that have the same point of view as they. Yeah and they love President Bush too that's why they have showered him with so much adoration for 8 long years. Clinton and Obama both could abuse homeless people on the White House lawn and the media would blame the homeless people for being there in the first place. You sound either very young or very naive.
Do a little research and you'll find texasrifleman is quite right. The batf does not have a good record when dealing with citizen gun owners. Why do you think the NRA has gone to court so many times to defend gun owners. As far as being exposed by the media for a training film. PLEASE !!!!!! Do you really expect the media to harrass a government organization that is run by administrators that have the same point of view as they. Yeah and they love President Bush too that's why they have showered him with so much adoration for 8 long years. Clinton and Obama both could abuse homeless people on the White House lawn and the media would blame the homeless people for being there in the first place. You sound either very young or very naive.
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I know about the BATF and what they did in Texas, the infrared film exposed that they lied about the actions there - I know this for a scientific fact- first hand
911 was an inside job!
what definition of "first hand" are you using? apparently there is a new one
911 was an inside job!
what definition of "first hand" are you using? apparently there is a new one
here we go, Sig220mw is another conspiracy theorist, you probably believe those stories about the CIA selling crack in the 'hood to finance the Contras back in the 1980's LOL please enlighten me with some more of your conspiracy theories. It's always fun to hear folks who NEVER worked for the feds, talk about what really goes on inside these agencies.
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