Martowski
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OP hasn't responded in nearly a week since posting their original question. Wonder if they are looking at this (?).
Its the stupid finger grooves..
19 is the one glock I hate more than any other due to the placement of the grooves
I haven't shot a Glock in years (thank goodness) because the grip angle was an instant turn-off for me. I had never thought much about the finger grooves before, but I recently bought some wrap-around grips with finger grooves for my CZ 75B, and hated them... my fingers didn't line up with the grooves. I'm guessing that was another factor in the Glock being a bad ergonomic fit for me, as well.I own a Glock 19 (Gen 2) but I'm not a fan. Blocky, bad grip angle. Later generations with the finger groves are even worse IMO.
Well, this is why I suggested a methodology not a model. I knew there was more information to be had.I am reading this, I just have work, also small guns are kinda a negative for me as I have long fingers.
Let me increase my push for the CZ 75 series, then. I've seen a lot of reviews comparing the CZ, Beretta and Sig (generally considered 3 of the best), and one of the few complaints about the CZ was the longer DA reach. With long fingers, that's less likely. Regarding the Beretta 92 series, the thickness of the grip comes into question, which again would be less likely with long fingers. I personally prefer my CZ slightly over my Beretta... either would be fine.I am reading this, I just have work, also small guns are kinda a negative for me as I have long fingers.
For clarity, that would be Houlton, Maine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houlton,_MaineThe 3Gen S&W's are still current production under contract out of Houghton ME and overruns are sold off thru Cabelas and LEO vendors. They pop up with surprising regularity to this day.
You will see guns outlawed before you see that happen IMO..Not mentioned and not sure if it's a factor or not; metal guns are being phased out by the market.
If we're at the point of just shouting out the names of guns that we happen to like, I'll say
Glock 17L !!!
if I were to per say be buying a 9mm for less than $700 what gun would you, the responder suggest and what price point would you say it's worth?
Honestly, that price should get you most brands new, and if you accept used, should get you about anything.Well, here is the text from the OP:
Oolong said: ↑
if I were to per say be buying a 9mm for less than $700 what gun would you, the responder suggest and what price point would you say it's worth?
Mostly because it's the most common handgun on the market. I've hated mine since I bought it. The impulse purchase happened because it was dirt cheap at less than half of its blue book value. I was about to flip it for profit, forgot about it, took it to a range months later and was shocked that the first two full magazines printed a ~3" group at 25m/27yd in semi-rapid fire. All this with trigger pull that would be acceptable for a staple gun and my eyes with a best-before -date somewhere in the nineties.I'll still say Glock 17/19. It seems to be the pistol that everyone in this thread is comparing to.
if I were to per say be buying a 9mm for less than $700 what gun would you, the responder suggest and what price point would you say it's worth?
jjones45 wrote:
I agree for $200 the pt 111 is a great option and you probably can't beat it in that price range, but the op said under $700 which can get you much better quality and options.
For current production, I'd list the Glock, CZ 75, Sig P226 and Beretta 92, and put the Hi Power for historical significance. All are classics that have many branches.If I had to list my top 9mm pistols my list would go Glock, SIG P226, CZ75, Browning Hi-Power, and then maybe the Luger for historical significance.
I understand your logic, I really do. But a pt111 that cost $200 is nowhere near the same quality of let's say a Cz p01 that cost about $550. The pt111 would be #1 in the category of best budget guns in my opinion. The op (in my opinion) is not really looking for a budget gun with money left over to spend on ammo, accessories, or training. He's looking for the best 9mm $700 can buy. I'm sorry but I don't think the pt111 is the best 9mm $700 can get you. There is literally so many great 9mm handguns $700 can get you these days. Even the Ruger American or m&p 9 (1st gen) can be had for around $400. I have a Taurus handgun and appreciate the value of it, but it's not on the same level as let's say a glock, p320, Cz 75, ruger American, M&p, fnx/s, Hk vp9/p2000, sig 2022, sr9, ppq, p99, p07/9, beretta 92/px4, etc....., all of which can be had for around $500 or less if you shop around. This is just my opinion and I respect yours, I just see it a little differentlyYes, the OP did in fact ask for the BEST pistol under $700. And for the reasons stated, I recommended what I happen to believe is the overall BEST choice based on the various criteria as I weighed them. Also, it is unarguably within the OP's $700 budget. And unlike many other 9mm pistols, it's price point would leave the OP with a lot of money to buy after-market sights, ammunition, components or even some back-up pistols.