Big and heavy or slow and fast

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wombat13 said:
I shoot deer with hot loads in my .300 win mag and my FIL shoots them with factory .338 win mag. No major meat loss because we don’t shoot them in the meat.
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Well, there's always that! But, most people do, (shoot them in the meat) and most people ain't great shots. :)
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Well, there's always that! But, most people do, (shoot them in the meat) and most people ain't great shots. :)
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Even if you are good at shooting paper, sometimes things don't go perfectly every time in the field. Sometimes you aren't offered a great shot and have to decide to take a less than ideal short or no venison for the year. Part of the deal we accept as hunters in the real world.
 
brewer12345 said:
Even if you are good at shooting paper, sometimes things don't go perfectly every time in the field. Sometimes you aren't offered a great shot and have to decide to take a less than ideal short or no venison for the year. Part of the deal we accept as hunters in the real world.
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Oh yeah, and I've passed on more shots than shots I've taken. (only lost one deer in my life) Sometimes the dang things just won't stand still either! The paper on the other hand, will stand still all day. Go figure.
 
They all work.....i went on a Canadian bear hunt about 20 years ago with a 30-30 and was laughed at by every American hunter......none of the canadian guys laughed because they knew it was effective. And the bear didnt laugh when he fell stone dead to a 60 yard 30-30 bullet through the shoulder.
 
AJC1 said:
Do you prefer speed or weight to take your game. I'm just now getting into hunting and looking at harvesting an animal. It seems like there are at least two camps of thought with many in the middle. Is a big and heavy bullet better or a light and fast preferred. The only starting assumption would be an ethical distance of 300 yards, as I can shoot but I'm not going far till I get some experience. As an example do you like 338 federal or 22-250. Pick any 308ish case for comparison. The 7-08 or 308 would be examples of the tweeners. Tennessee doesn't have grizzly so omit that option. No polar bears either.
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If I plan on 300 yards. I'm running my 240Wby or 300WM. Tracking is not fun.
If I'm hunting close I'm running anything I feel like. Usually a 5.56, 7.62x39, or 35 Whelen.
Hunting in the Ozarks usually only gives a short time to pull up and shoot. Ranges are usually less than 100. But occasionally you can shoot across a gully and get to several hundred yards.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Oh yeah, and I've passed on more shots than shots I've taken. (only lost one deer in my life) Sometimes the dang things just won't stand still either! The paper on the other hand, will stand still all day. Go figure.
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In 42 seasons I have lost 2 dear and they both haunt me to this day. If you hunt long enough it will happen to you. If you care about your quarry it will bother you. I feel that big holes on both sides reduces the chances of it happening again. To each his own. You makes your choices and live with the consequences. Good luck and good hunting.
 
9x56MS said:
In 42 seasons I have lost 2 dear and they both haunt me to this day. If you hunt long enough it will happen to you. If you care about your quarry it will bother you. I feel that big holes on both sides reduces the chances of it happening again. To each his own. You makes your choices and live with the consequences. Good luck and good hunting.
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I spent two days searching for my lost deer, so I think I paid me dues. Even had the kid and the wife help me look on the second day. Most everything I hunt with leaves big holes on both sides, the .62 sure does. (well, on the off side) The deer I lost was with my longer barreled 7.7 and loaded hot, but it was a longer shot (275 maybe?) than I would usually take. Was using a scope in them days, thought it gave me long range super power. I think it just gave me a larger group! (even with a rifle producing 1moa off the bench, that group opens WAY WAY up at 200 and 300 yards and beyond, just due to field position, hurrying the shot, faster heart beat, wind, etc.) These days I limit my shots to 100 yards, did shoot one at 110 with the .62", thought it was closer until I paced it off, which is kind of necessary I think with open sights and front-stuffing rifles. If I were to take the '06, .303, .45-70(s) .44 carbine, even the .350 or .30WCF(s) out I'd still limit my shots to 100 yards, mostly due to open sights and "just because".
 
Ugly Sauce said:
I spent two days searching for my lost deer, so I think I paid me dues. Even had the kid and the wife help me look on the second day. Most everything I hunt with leaves big holes on both sides, the .62 sure does. (well, on the off side) The deer I lost was with my longer barreled 7.7 and loaded hot, but it was a longer shot (275 maybe?) than I would usually take. Was using a scope in them days, thought it gave me long range super power. I think it just gave me a larger group! (even with a rifle producing 1moa off the bench, that group opens WAY WAY up at 200 and 300 yards and beyond, just due to field position, hurrying the shot, faster heart beat, wind, etc.) These days I limit my shots to 100 yards, did shoot one at 110 with the .62", thought it was closer until I paced it off, which is kind of necessary I think with open sights and front-stuffing rifles. If I were to take the '06, .303, .45-70(s) .44 carbine, even the .350 or .30WCF(s) out I'd still limit my shots to 100 yards, mostly due to open sights and "just because".
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100 yards is what I prefer, but many of the places I hunt big game I would have to be really, really lucky to get that close. Open plains and ridges with little cover mean the only shots you may get could be pretty long. I don't like the longer shots, but that is reality if you are deer hunting in some of these spots. There is a reason I lug a bipod and have started thinking about a tripod.
 
brewer12345 said:
100 yards is what I prefer, but many of the places I hunt big game I would have to be really, really lucky to get that close. Open plains and ridges with little cover mean the only shots you may get could be pretty long. I don't like the longer shots, but that is reality if you are deer hunting in some of these spots. There is a reason I lug a bipod and have started thinking about a tripod.
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I used to hunt in some pretty open country, back in the day, and those were the scoped 7.7 days. But with all the crap I carry around, any kind of bipod or tripod, or shooting stick(s) is just over-the-top for me.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
I used to hunt in some pretty open country, back in the day, and those were the scoped 7.7 days. But with all the crap I carry around, any kind of bipod or tripod, or shooting stick(s) is just over-the-top for me.
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In the summer I do a lot of field position practice. My effective range goes up a lot with a bipod, so I make the effort in the open areas.
 
JimKirk said:
I see very little about small and fast ....

I use the 80 grain TTSX @3680 fps in my .25/06 ....but then I hunt nothing bigger than a 225 lbs whitetail ....

It does massive internal damage and passes through most times ...

The .243 Win using 80 grain TTSX works really well also....
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Wow 3680fps is very fast. Says something good about a bullet maker that can make one that holds together at that speed. Sounds like 80 grains works well for you, I think I'd go with a 100 grain in that caliber...if I had one. But I just tend to choose heavier bullets in any caliber. If I wanted to go small and fast, I think a .25-06 would be my choice.
 
JimKirk said:
I see very little about small and fast ....

I use the 80 grain TTSX @3680 fps in my .25/06 ....but then I hunt nothing bigger than a 225 lbs whitetail ....

It does massive internal damage and passes through most times ...

The .243 Win using 80 grain TTSX works really well also....
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I found a cheap savage 10 at Walmart in 243 and that 80ttsx kept running through my head.
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Wow 3680fps is very fast. Says something good about a bullet maker that can make one that holds together at that speed. Sounds like 80 grains works well for you, I think I'd go with a 100 grain in that caliber...if I had one. But I just tend to choose heavier bullets in any caliber. If I wanted to go small and fast, I think a .25-06 would be my choice.
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I can tell you that a 100 gr TTSX at a published 3,300 fps (probably real world 3,100 fps) will wreck a deer. Shot two with that load this year. One at 60 yards and one at 180 yards. Neither took a step.
 
I believe it. I've never had or much less hunted with anything sub-30 caliber, (did have a nice 6.5 Swede but never hunted it) but have always thought that the .25-06 would be a good one. Seems like anything based on the '06 case makes sense and works well. The brass sure (or was) is plentiful.
 
The 80 grain TTSX(.257")expands violently after entering the the chest ... probably looses the four petals ...but the solid copper bottom section continues on out the far side for a blood trail if needed .... so far none have moved more than eight steps ....

Many more have fell to the 80 grain TTSX .243" .... it goes 3300+ fps .... and similar performance as the 80 .257"(not quite as violent) but deadly ...twenty steps has been the most distance ... deer in the 185/200 lbs range ...

3300fps for .243 Win chronograph ...6 mm Remington 3500 fps ..

The 3680 fps is chronographed velocity not book velocity(3788 fps) .25/06
 
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JimKirk said:
The 80 grain TTSX(.257")expands violently after entering the the chest ... probably looses the four petals ...but the solid copper bottom section continues on out the far side for a blood trail if needed .... so far none have moved more than eight steps ....

Many more have fell to the 80 grain TTSX .243" .... it goes 3300+ fps .... and similar performance as the 80 .257"(not quite as violent) but deadly ...twenty steps has been the most distance ... deer in the 185/200 lbs range ...

3300fps for .243 Win chronograph ...6 mm Remington 3500 fps ..

The 3680 fps is chronographed velocity not book velocity(3788 fps) .25/06
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There is zero doubt in my mind, when the conversation shifts to mono brass/copper bullets speed is the answer. Some may say it's the wave of the future as more land bans the use of lead. Copper bullets absolutely own the fast and subsonic arena. Those 300bo maker Rex bullets definitely perform.
 
AJC1 said:
There is zero doubt in my mind, when the conversation shifts to mono brass/copper bullets speed is the answer. Some may say it's the wave of the future as more land bans the use of lead. Copper bullets absolutely own the fast and subsonic arena. Those 300bo maker Rex bullets definitely perform.
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I know to a lot of folks just can't understand how the combination of light weight and speed make these copper type bullets kill beyond imagination...
I have another combo I am working with ....a 110 grain TTSX in .270 WSM at 3590 fps chronographed ... but have no on animal experience with it yet ...
I have witnessed what the 110grain TTSX does at 3800 fps out of a 300 WSM .... deadly .... not my gun but did the reloads ...
 
JimKirk said:
I know to a lot of folks just can't understand how the combination of light weight and speed make these copper type bullets kill beyond imagination...
I have another combo I am working with ....a 110 grain TTSX in .270 WSM at 3590 fps chronographed ... but have no on animal experience with it yet ...
I have witnessed what the 110grain TTSX does at 3800 fps out of a 300 WSM .... deadly .... not my gun but did the reloads ...
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The mono bullet was the answer to 257 Weatherby. Dam hammer of Thor.
 
Terry G said:
After using a .270, 7MM Magnum, .30/30, all in heavier bullet's I settled on a .30/06 with 180 grain rounds for Whitetail. My Son uses the same round in his Browning X bolt. This is his fourth Buck taken with one shot and we've yet to track one. Al expired within 35 yards of the shot.View attachment 1120346
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Nothing wrong with that. Have you ever wondered how many broadside deer of that pictured sized a 180g 30-06 would go through? I would guess three in one shot.
 
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